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dairygirl4u2c
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recent republican presidents, regan bush and bush, are to blame for sky rocket deficit spending/debt

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Started: 2/25/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

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recent republican presidents, regan bush and bush, are to blame for sky rocket deficit spending debt

notice the graph
http://www.brillig.com...

a very big spike occurred at the beginning and during regan/bushI, and then started slowing down and decreasing starting and during clinton. then, starting and during bush II, it REALLY started taking off.

what's to blame is probably their motto of "tax cuts while not reducing spending". sure, democrats are probably less prone to make tax cuts, but at least they don't go around cutting taxes when we have deficits. even obama suggests that it's common sense and supports balanced bugdet amendments.

now, the debt is a fifth of the national budget, such that the average family pays a fifth of their fed taxes to mere debt, or around one or two or so thousand a year...
http://www.federalbudget.com...

we'd have been better off to increase taxes. of course, decreasing spending is optimal and it's adirable to want to do that, but what the republicans did was terrible and only making things much worse. at least if you increased the burden, people would be pissed and demand lesser taxes. now we're just shooting ourselves in teh foot because it's a silent killer. it's not helping the economy the tax cuts (unless stimulation is needed bc recession) cause we have to pay it all back eventually, and in the mean time we're only adding interest debt that we wouldn't have had to pay off to begin with.

PS reganomics also is bogus fiscal policy, much more than republicans like to admit. but i'd think we'd need to debate that elsewhere. i'd be happy to if anyone would like.
DaPofoKing

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1) First off i would like to state in this ound that the blame would fall on congress, house of reps and even the people for electing them into offic if i can prove at least one of these then i should win this round. You cannot put the sole blame on the president because congress can veto what the president proposes. Thus my opponent needs ton prove it is 100% the recent republican presidents fault.

2)My opponent talks about the national debt being ranked 5th but never links this to the topic. We are in debt because of war and consumer credit spending these are just a few examples.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

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1) First off i would like to state in this ound that the blame would fall on congress, house of reps and even the people for electing them into offic if i can prove at least one of these then i should win this round. You cannot put the sole blame on the president because congress can veto what the president proposes. Thus my opponent needs ton prove it is 100% the recent republican presidents fault.

2)My opponent talks about the national debt being ranked 5th but never links this to the topic. We are in debt because of war and consumer credit spending these are just a few examples.

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i never disagreed that it was totally the republican's fault. i even acknowledgtegde it wasn't. but, since the republicans decided to make the situation even worse by giving tax cuts while spending was too high, that ensured that we had to borrow the money. in the long run, now we have all that money to pay back, and the interest on it.

i'm not sure what you "5th" thing refers to. http://www.federalbudget.com... if you look at that link, the interest on the debt is a fifth of our budget. that's stuff we shouldn't be paying, but are.

it's irresponsible to give tax cuts when there's spending going on. if you can't win the cuts, then raise taxes. you should try to cut, but if you can't, you're not fixing anything but borrowing.

they are to blame. you've not shown how otherwise. all you've done is say "prove it they were 100$ to blame". i never claimed it anyway.
plus, your argument amounts to what's typical in the debate forum, semantical arguments that miss the point. defining things, games, all that miss the point.

also, consumer spending debt isn't the national debt. i'm not sure why you're talking about it. national debt means it's money the government borrowed. i suppose not everyone knows that though? "national debt" could be a techincal word to those who don't know any better, if they thought it was referring to all our personal debts etc, but it doesn't.
DaPofoKing

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Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by polka-dots323 9 years ago
polka-dots323
Your graphs are good, but how are you certain that they are true and correct?
Posted by polka-dots323 9 years ago
polka-dots323
I would accept this debate, but I do not believe that I know enough about economics to actually debate the topic. But, I would like to add that it takes about 10-15 years for a change in the economy to fully take place. If a President decides to make a change to the economy in order to improve it, in order to see the full results, you must wait at least 10-15 years. Therefore it seems as though Presidents before Regan and Bush and President Bush actually made the changes that affected the economy and debt during their term.

Actually, I am now considering accepting the debate..:)
Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
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Correction: "A Presidents veto can be over ridden."
Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
sadolite
Congress is and always will be responsible for Gov't spending. The President has no control over it. He can only make suggestions and he can be over ridden by a veto. Don't blame any President Rep. or Dem. blame Congress.
Posted by Chuckles 9 years ago
Chuckles
duh. that's a pretty hard reso to negate. they are fine with deficits, and they are the ones who largely raised them.
Posted by zander 9 years ago
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Why do you make two debates on the same topic every time? Not meant to be instigatory, just curious.
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