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recent republican presidents, regan bush and bush, are to blame for sky rocket deficit spending debt

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Started: 2/25/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

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recent republican presidents, regan bush and bush, are to blame for sky rocket deficit spending debt

notice the graph
http://www.brillig.com...

a very big spike occurred at the beginning and during regan/bushI, and then started slowing down and decreasing starting and during clinton. then, starting and during bush II, it REALLY started taking off.

what's to blame is probably their motto of "tax cuts while not reducing spending". sure, democrats are probably less prone to make tax cuts, but at least they don't go around cutting taxes when we have deficits. even obama suggests that it's common sense and supports balanced bugdet amendments.

now, the debt is a fifth of the national budget, such that the average family pays a fifth of their fed taxes to mere debt, or around one or two or so thousand a year...
http://www.federalbudget.com...

we'd have been better off to increase taxes. of course, decreasing spending is optimal and it's adirable to want to do that, but what the republicans did was terrible and only making things much worse. at least if you increased the burden, people would be pissed and demand lesser taxes. now we're just shooting ourselves in teh foot because it's a silent killer. it's not helping the economy the tax cuts (unless stimulation is needed bc recession) cause we have to pay it all back eventually, and in the mean time we're only adding interest debt that we wouldn't have had to pay off to begin with.

PS reganomics also is bogus fiscal policy, much more than republicans like to admit. but i'd think we'd need to debate that elsewhere. i'd be happy to if anyone would like.
CongressmanDrew

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I do not disagree that we have seen deficits rise under the Reagan, Bush, Bush years. However, I don't think the blame falls entirely on a President. The President only sends a budget that Congress makes changes to anyway and then votes on it. I also disagree that we need to raise taxes to bring down the debt. We need to drastically cut spending across the board. Runaway spending is the cause of our debt, not tax cuts. To reign in spending, I would support the immediate passage of a balanced budget Amendment to the Constitution. I would also support giving the President the line item veto power.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

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CongressmanDrew

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Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

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I never siad it was entirely their faults. in fact i acknowledged it wasn't, and that we should reduce spending.

the only point i might disagree on is this....

"I also disagree that we need to raise taxes to bring down the debt"

Now, I'd imagine we could just cut current spending to bring down the debt, so I'd agree with you. As a practical matter, if we can't get an agreement to lower spending, then for a while, taxes need raised.

It's irresponsible to give tax cuts when there's not a recession and then borrowing the money instead. That's why they get a lot of blame. They did exactly this.
I coudl perhaps understand not wanting to raise taxes and finding ways to cut back instead..... but giving tax breaks, which means not getting what the status quo taxes are... is the height of irresponsibility.
CongressmanDrew

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by msoshima54 8 years ago
msoshima54
both Bush presidents were responsible for oue trillions of dollars in debt because of both Iraq wars. Unecessary wars are the biggest money wasters for our country and the same family managed to get us into two of the worst economic killers!!
Posted by kels1123 8 years ago
kels1123
Stop posting all your arguments over and over again!!!
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
Reagan?

He tripled the national debt.

That's a feat.
Posted by Conspicuous_Conservative 8 years ago
Conspicuous_Conservative
Two Bushes certainly but Reagan not!
Posted by smith76 8 years ago
smith76
I dont think you should include Reagan, and Bush (41) in your arguement because the government deficit that was created by them was countered by Clinton who simply raised taxes and cut the military budget in half (hooray for government budget cuts) despite the fact that the military is the nation's largest employer. Wait, I thought the Democrats were for creating jobs , not cutting them, hmm.
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
Um, FDR's new deal was an attempt to get out of a depression and WWII finally did that. Giving money to the poor is properly established by Keynesian economic theory. Bush, Reagan and Bush just spent a crap load of money like their hair was on fire. Often on completely worthless nonsense. Handouts to the rich aren't exactly Keynesian economics at work. More likely to go into savings and you aren't going to help out everybody out a bit.

A sound economic theory on one side, mind numbing stupidity on the other. I have lived my entire life and never seen a republican in office who didn't spend money like it was free or a democrat who didn't balance the budget.
Posted by Korezaan 8 years ago
Korezaan
One of these days I'm going to make a debate about you and your double-posting habits.
Posted by Shorack 8 years ago
Shorack
In a pracital way, you're totally right, they did it.

But the idea of deficit spending was brought into practice by FDR (as tjzimmer said).
Ofcourse, that was in a totally different setting, and was somewhat necessary to clean up the mess.

So i tend to agree with you. :)
Posted by tjzimmer 8 years ago
tjzimmer
You know who was the first to start with deficit spending?

Yep, the beloved Democrat FDR. He paved way for socialist programs and deficit spending.
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