religion causes problems
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It is the people who cause division by wrongly interpreting religion
NOT RELIGION ITSELF...
As for the bible and slavery-
The Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. It gives instructions on how slaves should be treated (Deuteronomy 15:12-15; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 4:1), but does not outlaw slavery altogether. Many see this as the Bible condoning all forms of slavery. What many fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.
the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.
In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of "man-stealing," which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: "Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death" (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are "ungodly and sinful" and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8"10).
The bible and gays-
The bible was written under God's inspiration over a period of 1,500 years or so through various periods when God dealt with His people in different ways. Not everything that the Bible designed for God's people Israel under the judges or under the kings or that God designs for Christians under the apostles in the New Testament is the same. Putting to death adulterers, putting to death homosexuals, putting to death the sons who curse their parents, all these penalties belonged to a particular season in the history of God's dealings with His covenant people, and those dealings have changed dramatically with the coming of God's Son Jesus Christ into the world. That is the basic nature of the Bible and of redemptive history that we need to get across to our critics.
the whole Old Testament reaches a climax and is dramatically altered.
The Bible spells out many of the specifics of this dramatic alteration. For example, the book of Hebrews is probably the classic place for showing how the Old Covenant has become obsolete with the coming of the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:13 says, "In speaking of a New Covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." And, for example, the death of Jesus is the once-for-all sacrifice for sins so that the entire Old Testament sacrificial system of offering animals comes to an end.
the Old Covenant was becoming obsolete. And dramatic changes came about and hundreds of commands in the Old Testament don't apply to Christians anymore, because this new phase of redemptive history has come.
Christians are freed from the old theocratic, ethnic orientation that needed all kinds of cultural distinctive
. For example, in Mark 7:19 Jesus declared all foods clean. So the entire dietary law system of the Old Testament is wiped away because we don't need to distinguish ourselves from all the nations of the world. We are part of the nations of the world. We eat whatever we are offered, because we are on an evangelistic mission to win people from all the peoples of the world among whom we are a part.
So you can see change is coming to the world with Jesus in the moral expectations upon the people of God.
Over the course of the Holocaust, very few people, let alone groups, came to the aid of the Jews. Christians have received harsh criticism for their apathy, considering how their religion advocates a strong sense of morality and compassion for all. Although the churches did not directly support Hitler, their decision to do nothing does not free them of guilt.
Following the end to Hitler"s reign and the rescue of the Jews, the rest of the world quickly jumped in to assign blame. Christianity as a whole became a major target because of their tense past with the Jews. Rather than accept how everyone who stood idly by was to blame, most groups shifted the attention away from themselves. The overwhelming response was disbelief that such evil could occur. People reacted this way to detach themselves from the situation and any chance of guilt.
"An unnamed police academy classmate told the media that Mateen had asked him out romantically around 2006, that they had spent time at gay bars together after class, and that he believed Mateen was gay. He also described him as "socially awkward" and disliked by classmates. At least four regular customers at the nightclub had seen Mateen visit the nightclub on at least a dozen occasions. One of them said he would sometimes become drunkenly "loud and belligerent", and at other times would drink in a corner by himself. According to a witness who recognized him outside the club an hour before the shootings (and later turned over his own phone for FBI analysis), Mateen had messaged him using Jack'd, a gay dating app, intermittently over the course of a year before the attack. Another witness said Mateen used the Grindr app and Adam4Adam website to communicate with gay men online, and had posted pictures of himself on both sites. A third witness said Mateen would try to pick up men at the nightclub."
The guy was clearly messed up.
Also, this is not just about one religion but about other religions as well, but ultimately all encourage ideas of peace and harmony.
About your last question,
I think it's about how one perceives gods presence, according to some religions, life is a test and our deeds now will reflect out standing in the future(or hereafter).
What you have said is just one persons interpretation of the bible. Those who favour religion would agree with you however many people perceive it as an insult and many Christians and religious people I know have said that homophobic acts are wrong. Therefore this reiterates the fact that the Bible and Christianity itself is against gays. Also you say the Old Testament has been dramatically altered however those were the words of God and, correct me if I am wrong, the word of God is absolute. Therefore how can God possibly love everyone like every one says he does if he has given the word to stone gays...unless your telling me that the Bible is a contradictory pile of crap that changes according to the change of morals because that's what I think.
I'm sorry....you quoted "slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practised in the past few centuries". Firstly I would like you to use the phrase "historical times" because to me biblical times never existed. Secondly, how can you even say that slavery was different during those times, slavery is slavery, there is no good slavery, it's just completely wrong and unjust discriminating against one whose social status in life is lower than yours. The only variation slavery would have from historical times to present day is the methods used to make the slave obey you. In historical times slavery punishment was far more brutal.
Quote " Another witness said Mateen used the Grindr app and Adam4Adam website to communicate with gay men online, and had posted pictures of himself on both sites. A third witness said Mateen would try to pick up men at the nightclub."
The guy was clearly messed up." I am pretty sure that is a big homophobic comment here....you have just said that the guy did a bunch of gay stuff and that he is messed up for it. This validates that religious people like you are homophobic and it's not just the people this time, it's the religion itself too.
I do not dispute that religion is MAYBE TRYING to encourage peace and prosperity however it is doing the complete opposite, it is creating more trouble than good as a result of a variation in ideologies. Religion is causing conflict as a result of desiring people to follow it. This whole debate is just proof that religion stirs conflict within people as you are trying to prove to me that religion is peaceful. That is what Islamic state are doing (in their eyes)....trying to prove that their religion is the path to peace however by doing so they are the ones causing devastation. Therefore religion has and always will cause problems!
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God is omnipresent which means God lacks the ability to leave a room. If God lacks the ability to leave a room then God doesn't have all powers (omnipotent) and if God is not omnipotent then God, isn't God.
Let's say for a second that God isn't omnipresent, and God is omnipotent then that'd make sense. Right? No, because if God has every power, God would be able to create an object that cannot be lifted up, then God cannot lift it. Therefore God cannot be omnipotent, therefore God is not God. But okay, lets say God can lift this object, because God can do anything and everything, then God cannot create an object that cannot be lifted because God can lift it. Therefore God is not omnipotent and if God isn't omnipotent, then God isn't God.
Now lets say God isn't omnipotent but God is omnipresent then, other than the fact that God cannot be God without being omnipotent, God would be a proton, a neutron, an electron, God would be a quark and a gluon. God would be all these things. But being all those things just makes God everything. God would have no ability to change what happens, God would lack the ability to see, smell, hear and sense, but, God would affect everyone's lives without being able to do anything, Being moved by others, but God would be everywhere.
However, saying that God is what makes up an atom doesn't cover it. If God is everywhere, God should be in a vacuum, but there is nothing in a vacuum and without being omnipotent God cannot be in a vacuum. Therefore God cannot be omnipresent and if God is not omnipresent, then God is not God.
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