required threshhold of faith required for Christians to be saved is not clear
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the bible says if you confess with your mouth jesus is lord, and beleive in your heart that he was raised from the dead you will be saved. it also say if you believe in the lord you will be saved. it also has all kinds of other statements.
i'm sure if you do these, that is sufficient. but what about various other scenarios, like the content of 'sinner's prayers' that dont include those things?
what or where exactly is the threshhold?
if you believe he existed or is God is that enough? probably not cause the bible says demons do likewise.
what about a list of of common beleifs? that you rely on him generally, that he is your savior, that you are a sinner, that he is lord, tha he rose from the dead, that he was incarnated, that he is God, that he is the son of God, that you believe you are saved (plenty of christians say you must believe you are saved, or you aren't saved), substitutionary atonement v 'christus victor' etc etc.
ask different christians, get a different answer, almost every time. they just have 'gut feelings' but dont have firm answers. see past debates from me on this topic, and you'll note a different answer pretty much every time.
some say you have to admit you're a sinner and that he is your savior. what if you believed all the other things and not these? or what if you believe you're a sinner, and that he's a savior, but not that he's God, or a various type of atonement belief. eg, chrsitaus victor v substitutionary.
some say that he is God is required, some say legal substitution is mandatory.
and how do you demarcate the requirements for those who are new to the faith, and those who are really knowledgeable? it might be seen a okay for a newbie to miss a thing or two, but less understandable for the expreinced etc. does this come into play?
so what's the magical formula?
he focuses on the bible. that is fair. but what it means to follow Jesus based on the bible is not clear, necessarily. nor the threshhold therein. surely it cannot be said that all who try to follow the bible will be saved. there's more to it than that. in fact, it could surely be said that not just those who proactively follow the bible will be saved, cause there's some christians who do not have bibles, or those who were christian before the bible became official.
so again, it seems con is basically agreeing with me. does he see it that way that he agrees with me?
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Reasons for voting decision: Con essentially agreed with Pro, so there is no argument for Con, though I suppose since there was no argument forfeiting still gives a Conduct point for Pro. I think Con was the wrong person for the debate.
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