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right and wrong is absolute, as logic is the measurement of reasonable

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Started: 4/30/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vi_spex

Pro

cause and effect is logic, logic is absolute


it is wrong to fill a cup to the half point if you are trying to fully fill it


it is more right to push superman of a cliff then me, becasue i cant fly

Furyan5

Con

Perception determines reality. Perception is flawed. Logic is faulty. Right and wrong are subjective.
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

1=1, never 0, and never 2

if reality is a perception, how come i can change my perception, but i cant change reality?

right and wrong are subjective, guided by object. it is completly irrelveant that it is subjective as long as its determined by reality

like, if you eat a poisonous mushroom, and you dont get sick in any way, was it then poisonous? and if you didnt get sick in any way, is it then right to say you got poisoned by a poisonous mushroom?
Furyan5

Con

Orange behind mirror = 0. Orange in front of mirror =2 (perseption subjective)
Orange skin absorbs all colours except reflects orange. Perception orange/ reality not.
Everything faulty perception.
Reality faulty perception.
Logic based on faulty subjective reality.

Child runs in road. Father hits child.
Father perspective good thing. Don't want child hit by car.
Childs perspective bad thing. Don't like being hit by father.

Perspective determines reality
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

orange colour is atleast 1, like a drop of water is atleast 1, or the sea is atleast 1

reality is objective.. everything that exist has an opposite for it to exist

i am one is true

reality is logic, logic is not subjective in the way you think. there is no logic in fantasy, i cant die in a dream, as i can only die if i am alive

reason+intent=morality

if you have no choice it balances out intent, and your actions are not immoral. self preservation is moral

reality determines perspective.. without a doubt... ok lets see, i know that the difference between these 2 different kinds of mushrooms in on the ground, one is deadly poisonous, and one is very healthy, but perception determines that its okay sometimes to give my child the deadly poisonous mushrooms... nothing wrong with that

child wants to live.. father dosnt want child to die.. and hitting him is not the right word.. that wouldnt actually accelerate the boy anyehere from the car.. just smack! lol
Furyan5

Con

Morality factor in determining action. Consequenses factor in determining action.
Action always choose good unless good action = negative benefit or negative like.
Action bad = positive benefit or positive like.
Priority determine choice
Debate Round No. 3
vi_spex

Pro

actions dosnt choose anything man :)

morality=contrasting self with others using thought and emotion

you just dodge the questions and examples.. getting no where, you have to look at the logic part to ever understand right and wrong, and morality

how do you determine, if its resonable to close your eyes while trying to read on? ..
Furyan5

Con

Its called common sense. Most of us have it. You can't read with your eyes closed.
Choice is not a option.
Action is determined.
Factor determining choice is priority.
Factor determining priority = morality/benefit/like
Good +5 +4 +3 +2 +1 0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 bad
Benefit +5 +4 +3 +2 +1 0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 detriment
Like +5 +4 +3 +2 +1 0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 dislike.
Eg coffee = morality 0 benefit +2 like +5 total +7
Tea = morality 0 benefit +3 like -1 total +2
Determined coffee priority.

Eg2 Find wallet return to owner
Morality +2 benefit 0 like +2 total +4
Find wallet keep wallet
Morality -2 benefit +2 like -1 total -1
Determined return wallet priority

Morality determine action.
Action not determine morality.
Debate Round No. 4
vi_spex

Pro

how do you know you cant see with your eyes closed?

only know is true, i dont know is a position i know, as i have to see to see that i dont see a dog right now, and i am certain that i am not

sense=physical experience
commen sense=non sense
all the words i know that begin the the word com, are in a mode of seperation
lies are complicated by seperation, information is seperation, and true is simple now as one
emotion+option=choice

actions have consequences

intent+action=moral or immoral consequence

hmm i have kind of a paradox on my mind. is the action the outcome of the action?


i think if i punch you in the face, the punch in the face, is the cause of the effect which is the outcome of the punch

Furyan5

Con

Why would you punch me in the face?
Because you angry. Emotion = action (no alternative/choice)
Why are you angry? I said or did something to make you angry. (My action caused your reaction)
Why did I say or do something to make you angry? Etc etc
Every action has a cause and a consequence. Cause past = can't change. Consequence future = not relevant.
Action now = no alternative/choice. Predetermined.

Punch in face -3 0 +5 total +2
Priority determined. Punch in face.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
when i poor it invisibly into the cup with my hands....
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
it is logical to believe that the dragon fill the cup with air
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Furyan5
you also need a reason.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
says the dragon to the elders..
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
you need air to live
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Furyan5
thats ok. i have coffee
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
but then you cant get a cup full of air
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Furyan5
sorry i can't. if i do my choices of realities will be halved. i prefer having 4 realities to choose from.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
i agree, should we pray to the dragon togeather? it also requires you cut out the left eye becasue its the evil eye
Posted by Furyan5 2 years ago
Furyan5
a cup filled with air can be useful. you can put something else in without spilling.
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