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Started: 10/15/2013 Category: Society
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DCataldoNHS

Pro

Same - sex marriage will in no way hurt heterosexual marriages.
According to Gaymarriageprocon.org it states, "... In 2009 Social Science Quarterly found that laws permitting same - sex marriage have no adverse effect on marriage..." If two guys or two girls want to get married it is not going to effect anyone else's marriage. It's not like if two people of the same sex get married another persons marriage is automatically going to fall apart. If that does happen then it is a problem between those two and not the outcome of two guys or two girls getting married. Say you found out your neighbors Peter and Joe got married and they go about their business as usual. Is that going to force your marriage to crumble. It's like when two heterosexual people get married and nothing happens to another couples marriage. Like Ellen DeGeneres said, "Portia and I have been married for 4 years and they have been the happiest of my life. And in those 4 years, I don"t think we hurt anyone else"s marriage. I asked all of my neighbors and they say they"re fine."

http://gaymarriage.procon.org...
CButlerNHS

Con

Same-Sex marriage will indeed hurt heterosexual marragies. Accoording to the article "At Issue: Same Sex Marriage", they claim that "the oppentents of same-sex marriage claim that marriage is between a man and a woman and view anything else as morally wrong. They argue that allowing homosexual couples to marry is unconstitutional and would destroy the sancity of marriage." (At Issue: Same Sex Marriage 1). More heterosexuals have been getting divorsed than ever before beucase of the fact that eithetr the man or the woman have claimed to be gay, which can hurt alot of people, epsically children. These homosexuals then go on to get married themselves which can hurt the person they married first. Marriage is not just about intitutionalizing any kind of relationship, but only male-female ones that exist to socitey by sharing property and children.
Debate Round No. 1
DCataldoNHS

Pro

Marriage should be defined as two people who love each other and should not be focused on gender. The website "Balancedpolitics.org" says that, "same - sex marriage does not hurt society or anyone in particular." How does two men getting married directly affect a family down the street. Their marriage is their own business and no one else's. Society should not dictate what two adults do. If a person loves another person that is all that should matter. If society points the finger and says how same - sex couples should not have the right to marry then that is doing more harm then good. Two heterosexuals getting married and then one of the spouses finally deciding to come out of the closet does happen. But this is not directly related to same - sex marriage. It has to do with their own personal issues. Two persons of the same gender getting married did not cause their marriage to crumble. It was the fact that one of the people was not staying true to themselves. Also, many other issues are the reason that people get divorced. According to The Huffington Post it says, "states that allow same-sex unions have lower divorce rates. Since the Defense of Marriage Act was found unconstitutional talk of same -sex marriage and divorce has dominated the news. In states where same-sex marriages are legally recognized, the divorce rate is 20 percent lower than in states that only allow marriages between a man and a woman. For example, Massachusetts, which was the first state to legalize same-sex marriage (in 2004), also has the lowest divorce rate in the country (huffington post)." This shows how trying to defend marriage as only being between a man and a woman is unconstitutional and that in those states the divorce rates are going down. You can't just institutionalize marriage as being what it has traditionally been. Times are changes and as a society and a nation we must be progressive and move forward. Not everyone is going to agree with everything and it is our job to look at the bigger picture and ask ourselves, "I may not agree with it, but it is actually effecting my way of living?"

Messerli, Joe. "Should Same-Sex Marriages Be Legalized?" - Free Balanced, Non-Partisan Discussion of Political &
SocialIssues for Debate (Pros and Cons). N.p., n.d. Web. 17 Oct. 2013. <http://www.balancedpolitics.org...;.

N/A. "Gay Marriage: States That Allow Same-Sex Unions Have Lower Divorce Rates." N.p., n.d. Web. 17 Oct. 2013.
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CButlerNHS

Con

Marriage should be more focused on a man and a woman rather than a man and a man or a woman and a woman. Daniel R. Hemibach says that "a male and a woman are the ones that exist to strengthen society by sharing property and children" (Friedman, 2010).The dictionary definition of institution is "a well-established and structured pattern of behavior or of relationships that is accepted as a fundamental part of a culture, such as marriage" (Dictionary.com). Same-sex marriage is not something that's institutional. It has been something that has been something that has been around for a few years. People in America are still not comfortable accepting the fact that people of the same sex are together because it is something that is a new idea. They are used to seeing a man and a woman fall in love with each other and watching a same-sex couple fall in love is unfamiliar. It is a burden on business when same-sex couples marry because benefits must now be extended to those spouses also. If a same-sex choose to adopt a child, it will eventually lead the child to "sexual confusion, depression, criminality, and drug abuse" (Friedman, 2010).

Fiedman, Lauri. "Gay Marriage". New York: Gale Congage Learning, 2010. Print.
"Institution." http://dictionary.reference.com.... 18 October 2013.
Debate Round No. 2
DCataldoNHS

Pro

The main reason people get married is because they love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together. The website gaymarriageprocon.org firmly states that, "Gay marriage would make it easier for same-sex couples to adopt, providing stable homes for children who would otherwise be left in foster care." Same - sex couples getting married would indeed benefit these children who are in foster care because they would have a family and a place to call home. Although some people would argue that allowing these couples to adopt would be detrimental to the child then why deny them the right to be placed in a caring and loving household. Just because a same - sex couple adopts a child it does not lead the child to "depression, criminality, or drug abuse" as you have stated above. It can lead them to be caring and open minded instead of closed minded. Their is a video of a young man named Zach Wahls who speaks out on behalf of his lesbian parents and the strength of his family. This video shows how just because he was raised two parents of the same he turned into a very caring young man who is a successful college student. in a recent study published in Pediatrics it says, "A longitudinal study on June 7, 2010 found that children of lesbian mothers were rated higher than children of heterosexual parents in social and academic competence and had fewer social problems. A July 2010 study found that children of gay fathers were "as well-adjusted as those adopted by heterosexual parents." As Washington Post columnist Ezra Klein argues, "We should be begging gay couples to adopt children. We should see this as a great boom that gay marriage could bring to kids who need nothing more than two loving parents." If the two adults are loving and want to adopt then who are we as a society to stop them. That should be the only criteria for adoption and looking at if the couple is same - sex should be the farthest thing from their minds. Marriage between a man and a woman is institutional, but only because it has been that way for a long period of time. Who is not to say that in the future same - sex marriage (should it be universally accepted) be considered institutional? According to the same website, "Gay marriages can bring financial gain to state and local governments." This would not be a burden on businesses because if state and local governments saw a financial gain would not the businesses see that too? The site also shows, "The Comptroller for New York City found that legalizing gay marriage would bring $142 million to the city"s economy and $184 million to the state"s economy over three years." This would mean that for those places they would see a spike in their economy and over time the state would see an increase too. And to think all the states would have to do is allow same - sex couples to marry. Another thing is that It would not be a burden for them [businesses] for the fact that if they are already giving benefits to heterosexuals and their spouses then how hard is it to extend those to everyone. All in all same - sex marriage should be considered in the same way heterosexual marriage is and not defined by the gender of the people, but by how strong their love is.

"Gay Marriage ProCon.org." ProConorg Headlines. N.p., n.d. Web. 19 Oct. 2013.
CButlerNHS

Con

It is in the child"s best interests that he or she be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. According to the website gaymarriageprocon.org, "Children without a mother or father are deprived of the emotional security and unique advice that mothers and fathers provide. An Apr. 2001 study published in American Sociological Review suggested that children with lesbian or gay parents are more likely to engage in a homosexual behavior." (gaymarriageprocon.org). The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex marriage. A child of a same-sex marriage will always be deprived of either his or her natural mother or father. They will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with them. They will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model. Friedman explains that "in reality, children raised by homosexuals do not do as well, than children raised by heterosexual father-mother pairs" (Friedman, 2010) Same-sex marriage definitely isn't in the best interest of children. Although people empathize with those homosexuals who long to be married and parent children, they mustn't allow the compassion for them to trump our compassion for children. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and well being of the spouses.
The website gaymarriageprocon.org claims that "marriage is a privilege, not a right. Society can choose to endorse certain types of sexual arrangements and give support in the form of benefits to these arrangements" (gaymarriageprocon.org). Marriage was created to allow society to support heterosexual couples in procreation and society can choose not to give the same benefits to same-sex couples.

Friedman, Lauri. "Gay Marriage". New York: Gale Congage Learning, 2010. Print.

"Gay Marriage ProCon.org." ProConorg Headlines. N.p., n.d. Web. 20 Oct. 2013.
Debate Round No. 3
DCataldoNHS

Pro

Children who need to be adopted should be able to live in any household regardless of sexual orientation. The only thing that should matter is if they are loving and prepared to raise a child. On the site gaymarriageprocon it states, "Same-sex couples should be allowed to publicly celebrate their commitment in the same way as heterosexual couples. The Human Rights Campaign Foundation states that many same-sex couples "want the right to legally marry [and] honor their relationship in the greatest way our society has to offer..." (gaymarriageprocon.org). If this way of showcasing their love is to adopt a child and show to society that they are a loving family then who is to stop them. Although it is true that kids without a mother or father are deprived of the unique advice mothers and fathers give (depending on if the relationship is lesbian or gay) it doesn't matter. Advice gets passed down from generation to generation, so it does not matter who is delivering the advice. As for never having a mother AND a father in their lives it is important to know that families come in all different ways. Some kids only have a mom or only have a day. They also may only have a grandparent to live with. This does not mean they are missing out on what an absent parent can give. They get this in other ways such as a close relative. On another note People do empathize with homosexuals, but it does not make sense how this would "trump" our compassion for children. Is this saying that we should be empathizing with kids and making sure they have a mother and father to help parent them? If so, then that is essentially stopping those children from being adopted from willing and loving adults who just happen to be gay or lesbian. According to the same site, "If the reason for marriage is strictly reproduction, infertile couples would not be allowed to marry" (gaymarriageprocon.org). This is to say that if proponents against same- sex marriage argue how same - sex couples cannot be married because they cannot "procreate," then every couple who is unable to have a baby should not be allowed to marry. Also, according to an article on the database sirs, "The top priority for family policy today should be to reinforce the norm of marriage, which is exactly what gays want to do. By underscoring that marriage is something to which all Americans can and should aspire, same-sex unions are part of the solution, not part of the problem" (Rauch). No other couple is having their rights trampled upon so instead of looking at this as a problem it should be looked at as a solution to bettering the community. In the grand scheme of things marriage is really about finding someone you love that you want to grow old with. This should be the only criteria and not whether the couple is straight or homosexual. Marriage should be a right and not a privilege for the simple reason that love is something we all have in common and need. To take away that right (the right of love and marriage) then it would be like taking away water, which is necessary to life, for someone to drink. We need love to live and be happy as people.

"Gay Marriage ProCon.org." ProConorg Headlines. N.p., n.d. Web. 20 Oct. 2013.

Rauch, Jonathan. "5 Myths About Gay Marriage." Washington Post. 13 May 2012: B.2. SIRS Issues Researcher. Web. 21 Oct 2013.
CButlerNHS

Con

Children who need to be adopted should not be able to live in any household regardless of sexual orientation. According to Friedman, "The public interest in marriage relates to how it moves toward bridging the male-female divide, toward favoring; procreation, and toward parents setting aside individual satisfaction to cooperate in raising children" (Friedman, 2010). Society will suffer because the families that form its basis lose their stability; an affect that will have repercussion for future generations. Just four days ago, the state legislature began work on legislation that repeals the constitutional ban and substituting a gender neutral definition of marriage Nevada had ban same-sex marriage. According to the article "Group appeals ruling that upheld Nevada's same-sex marriage ban", "Nevada holds the key to access for the sweeping array of spousal rights and responsibilities under federal law and keeps them locked away from same-sex couples under the marriage ban" (Chereb 2013) The promoters of same-sex "marriage" propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementary in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children. I get that gay marriage will take over all of America within a few years from now, but as of right now, only 14 states such as California, Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington allow gay marriage to happen here in America. If you look at the link below, you will see that most of America has banned gay marriage in certain states such as Texas and Florida and mostly the southern states of America.

http://www.npr.org...

You will see that people in America are still not accepting the fact that people of the same sex are falling in love. They are used to seeing a man and a woman fall in love with each other and watching a same-sex couple fall in love is unfamiliar. I get the fact that people of the same-sex love each other, I really do, but it's something that most of America is not alright with right now.

Chereb, Sandra. "Group appeals ruling that upheld Nevada's same-sex marriage ban". Las Vegas Review Journal. 18 October 2013. Print.

Friedman, Lauri. "Gay Marriage". New York: Gale Congage Learning, 2010. Print.

"Gay Marriage ProCon.org." ProConorg Headlines. N.p., n.d. Web. 22 Oct. 2013.

ProQuest Staff. "At Issue: Same-Sex Marriage." ProQuest LLC. 2013: n.pag. SIRS Issues Researcher. Web. 22 Oct 2013
Debate Round No. 4
DCataldoNHS

Pro

DCataldoNHS forfeited this round.
CButlerNHS

Con

Since you have recently forfeited the round, allow me to continue on why gay marriage is wrong in so many cases. According to the website gaymarriageprocon.org, "Gay marriage will accelerate the assimilation of gays into mainstream heterosexual culture to the detriment of the homosexual community." (gaymarriageprocon.org). The gay community has created its own vibrant culture. By reducing the differences in opportunities and experiences between gay and heterosexual people, this unique culture may cease to exist. Marriage means adopting heterosexual forms of family and giving up distinctively gay family forms and perhaps even gay and lesbian culture. Back in colonial time, it was forbidden that people of the same sex could be together. The article "Gay Rights Timeline" states that "In 1610, the Virginia Colony passed the first known anti sodomy law in America. Under this law, the practice of sodomy was punished by death." (Proquest). While all of the colonies passed laws against sodomy, the records of prosecutions of such acts are scant. The Puritans of New England condemned sodomy, whether it was heterosexual or homosexual, because the act did not result in the production of offspring and it went against their religious beliefs. The Massachusetts Bay Colony used the Old Testament of the Bible when enacting legislation on homosexual activity. It included in its 1641 law the passage from Leviticus, which states "if any man lieth with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed abomination, they both shall surely be put to death." (Proquest) Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law. On the contrary, same-sex "marriage" is intrinsically sterile. If the "spouses" want a child, they must circumvent nature by costly and artificial means or employ surrogates. The natural tendency of such a union is not to create families.Therefore, we cannot call a same-sex union marriage and give it the benefits of true marriage. Same-sex "marriage" opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility. If homosexual "marriage" is universally accepted as the present step in sexual "freedom," what logical arguments can be used to stop the next steps of incest, pedophilia, bestiality, and other forms of unnatural behavior?

"Gay Marriage ProCon.org." ProConorg Headlines. N.p., n.d. Web. 26 Oct. 2013.

ProQuest Staff. "Gay Rights Timeline." Leading Issues Timelines.. 2013: n.pag. SIRS Issues Researcher. Web. 26 Oct 2013
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