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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/11/2007 Category: Education
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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stupidmidget

Con

school uniforms are just wrong. unless you are in a privatwe school you should not have to pay a large sum of money to wear a uniform. the reason children go to a public school is that they might not have as much money as everyone else. another problem with the uniforms is that kids should be able to express themselves anyway they want.
smithk1

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I do agree that uniforms should not be required in public schools, but with the youth as it is today, more strict dress codes are needed to disallow some of the trends in schools today. There is no reason why a 16 year old girl needs to show off her chest or have her butt hanging out of her jeans. The same goes for guys that wear their pants low enough that their boxers are barely inside of their pants. If kids today don't start cleaning up their looks, school uniforms are going to be enforced and people are going to have to front the money for them.
Debate Round No. 1
stupidmidget

Con

well. some people like me and my girlfreind do not wear clothes like that. im saying kids that like black clothing should be able to wear it or kids that like piercings should be able to pierce anything they want. or kids that want to do there hair different.
smithk1

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I also didn't dress like that in school, but all it takes is one person to dress inappropriately to have the administration enforce a strict dress code. I don't have a problem with piercings for the most part, just as long as they are tasteful. It is just inappropriate for girls to show as much chest and butt as they do. Not to mention I don't want to see all these boxers and stuff... they make belts to solve that problem.
Debate Round No. 2
stupidmidget

Con

yes. maybe the dress code could be enforced like belts pants that have to be above there knees and shirts to be covering more body. its just that uniforms are a little much for a public school.
smithk1

Pro

Now I think we're just arguing the same point. All I'm saying is that unless people start using some common sense in what they wear, school uniforms are going to become a necessity, no matter what kind of school the student goes to, public or private.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by clsmooth 9 years ago
clsmooth
From a legal perspective, I believe it is illegitimate for the federal government to be involved in education funding or regulation. If you believe in any reasonable interpretation of the Constitution, that's fairly obvious.

I also believe, from a personal view, that government-run schools -- from any level of government -- are unlikely to produce good results; and that it is immoral to obtain funding for schools through involuntary means. That said, the lower level the government, the more likely the results are to be good.

Where would funding come for non-government schools? From the parents in the form of tuition. From charitable contributions. From parents' employers, etc. In order to believe that the funding wouldn't be there, you have to believe that it is ONLY there now because our government forces us to cough it up, and that our government knows better than we do as individuals. I do not believe that.
Posted by harlonmeester 9 years ago
harlonmeester
"from the parents" was meant to be taken sarcastically. as are most of the comments i make on this website.

read the rest of clsmooth's posts. presumably, he's going to advocate some level of state control of education as per the 10th amendment (even though those would also be technically considered public schools). at worst, he would probably argue that states should subsidize families who can't afford private schools.

the problem with his post is that he doesn't distinguish between the Government (with a big g) and governments (with a little g) so there's no way for you to know what he means unless you know that he basically says the same thing in every one of his posts.

i don't have a dog in this fight. i don't even know why i post to this website.
Posted by luckysyringe 9 years ago
luckysyringe
Firstly there are a lot of problems with public schools to begin with, but placing that aside, uniforms in no way stifle a child's creative processes. The schools still have art programs and they are still guaranteed their first amendment rights to speak and write freely. The problem is that the kids don't like that, and the parents only have a problem with having to go out to buy clothes when they already have some at home. So obviously people continue to be misinformed about things and they think that the uniforms are expensive and costing them extra money -- this may be true with certain private schools which mandate that their logo must be embroidered on the clothing. However, all public schools that mandate uniforms do not mandate the embroidered logo, and its the embroidery that makes the $20-$30 difference. So actually the unembroidered uniforms costs about the same as regular clothing, and the embroidered uniforms probably cost about the same as (the cheaper) designer clothing. Research has shown that uniforms in schools promote education and also hinder crime involvement. Uniforms allow the students to concentrate more on their school work rather than their peers' breasts hanging out of their blouses or what the new fashion trend is and it also somehow stops kids from trying to act "hard" and decreases the overall aggression in the student. Schools that mandate uniforms have shown an overall increase in test scores.
Besides that, take a look at this video on youtube:
http://youtube.com...
Posted by impactyourworld89 9 years ago
impactyourworld89
"from the parents. obviously" - Do you think that lower/middle class citizens could afford to pay? If everyone could pay, we wouldn't have a need for public schools. Private and public schools cost roughly the same, its just a mater of who is paying, the parents or the government. According to the National Association of Independent Schools (NAIS)the median tuition for their private schools in 2005-2006 year, ranged from $14,000 to over $16,000. The 2006 tuition for the St. Albans school in DC was over $26,000. I have four siblings and know that my parents could not have afforded paying that much for education.
(sources:
http://www.greatschools.net...
http://www.washingtonpost.com... )
Posted by harlonmeester 9 years ago
harlonmeester
from the parents. obviously.
Posted by impactyourworld89 9 years ago
impactyourworld89
Clsmooth, you said that all education should be separated from the government, and while I could probably agree with you on that as it would solve a lot of problems, it would create more. If public education were separated from the government, it would not receive funding. Where would the schools get it?
Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
kels1123
Clsmooth, I don't believe its a matter of freedom of speech , as to what children wear. Children are minors and therefore it is basically up to the parents and the administrators of the school what they deem appropriate. We aren't talking college , we are talking grade school and High School. What if a child wants to wear a shirt that some may find offensive and racist, they are minors and it could be disruptive and offensive to other children so therefore thats why schools have rules.
Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
kels1123
Sometimes boring is the right way to go, what about a poor kid that gets made fun of because they dont have on Abercrombie or have the latest Pumas? Don't you think uniforms could eliminate the whole stigma placed on if you don't dress right , or rich enough you are ridiculed for it ? There are other ways to express who you are besides clothing. I wore a uniform for 12 years, but make no mistake I knew who I was and others did too.
Posted by clsmooth 9 years ago
clsmooth
The problem is the very existence of public schools. I don't think there can morally be any regulation of student expression, so long as schools receive funding from the federal government, which is bound by the First Amendment. All schools should be private (and by that I simply mean separate from the government), and then the administrators of the schools could determine the dress code, and parents could send their children to the type of school they liked best.
Posted by audraxheartsxyou 9 years ago
audraxheartsxyou
I think kids should get to express their individuality. And one of the very few ways to do that is get to dress the way they want, aside from having a few restrictions (speghetti straps and booty shorts). School uniforms make everything the same and its more of boring.
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