The Instigator
ilenia_xo99
Con (against)
Tied
0 Points
The Contender
chanda_tho
Pro (for)
Tied
0 Points

should RIDE create a plan to encourage economic integration in our school?

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 0 votes the winner is...
It's a Tie!
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/20/2016 Category: Education
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 207 times Debate No: 85286
Debate Rounds (4)
Comments (1)
Votes (0)

 

ilenia_xo99

Con

Claim #1:
When the government gets involved, bad things happen.
Evidence: When the court gets involved they do more harm than good. Questions about the schooling should be left to the communities to solve. The court is has no power over the schools. Kiernan commission passed radical imbalance act, but racial imbalanced from 46 to 65. Schools should not be used as battle grounds to address inequality and discrimination.

Claim #2
Parents should be allowed to make decisions about where to send their kids
Evidence: The parents wanted better neighborhood schools and a better education for their children, no matter the racial makeup of the school. In their rulings ending court mandates for school integration, the judges too spoke of the futility of using school children to address. Parents should have the choice to move their children out of a falling school and most recently, to vouchers and charter schools.
Claim #3
We are already doing things to improve education for individual students in RI
Evidence: The federal no child left behind plan has many critics. But there"s no denying that it is an effective tool for forcing teachers union and school administrates to take responsibility for educating poor and minority students.
chanda_tho

Pro

Claim A: charter schools have not been a good plan to create equality in RI.
Evidence: PPSD"s Nathan Bishop and Nathaniel Greene (both 12% ELL) Outscored all providence based charter middle schools in PARCC ELA/Literacy. At the high school level, the PPSD as a whole (22 ELL PK-12) outscored the following providence based charters in PARCC ELA/Literacy: Highlander, Paul Cuffee, the academy for career exploration (5% ELL) and village green virtual charter (0%ELL)
Claim B: Students should be mixed economically just like they were mixed racially by the courts in the past.
Evidence: In the past Kiernan commission finds that racial imbalance is harmful to both black and white students. Education officials created a special committee, called the Kiernan commission, to study the impact of racial imbalance in schools. Also in the past thousands of black students and hundreds of white students boycott school for one day to protest the inequalities of segregated schools. Segregation shouldn"t happen in schools. Race doesn"t give kids opportunities.

Claim C: Everyone benefits when rich and poor kids are mixed.
Evidence: Low income students in Montgomery Country performed better when they attended affluent elementary schools instead of one with higher concentrations of poverty. The towns with higher property values don"t spend as much money as other towns on education nut yet have the highest graduation rates. Most others went to schools where up to 60% of the students were and where the country had poured in extra money. Also when poor students attend a rich school they do not know how to do the work
Debate Round No. 1
ilenia_xo99

Con

Are all of these percentages test scores on claim A?
can you explain your evidence a bit more in claim A?
can you clarify what point your trying to make in claim B?
Why do rich kids benefit poor kids?
chanda_tho

Pro

what harm does the government cause?
why should parents be allowed to make the decisions about where their child is sent?
can you clarify your evidence in claim #3?
Debate Round No. 2
ilenia_xo99

Con

1.)Getting the government involved causes harm because the government uses schools as battlegrounds and discrimination. instead of making it better they make it a bigger problem than it already was.
2.)The parent should decide where there child is sent to school because what happens if there child gets sent to a school across town how are they suppose to get to school. There attendance would go down.
3.)The federal no child left behind plan have many judgments as the result of the many judgments teachers union and schools administrates are forced to take responsibility for educating poor and colored students.
chanda_tho

Pro

1.) yes all the percentages are test scores.
2.) education officials created a special committee called the Kiernan commission , that studies racial imbalance in schools meaning they are studying the lack of minorities in school. students have protested the imbalance of schools that are segregated. therefore segregating schools shouldn't happen.
3.) charter schools have low testing scores than PPSD's.
4.) rich kid benefit poor kids because a poor kid going to a rich school may help them by the rich schools spending more money on education.
Debate Round No. 3
ilenia_xo99

Con

Charter schools are a good plan to create equality in RI. many students are not very good at taking test or feel pressured when it comes to taking a test.you cant base how smart someone is by a test.Students should not be mixed economically just like they were mixed racially by the courts in the past and everyone does not get benefits when rich and poor kids are mixed because the rich kids would make fun of the poor kids and the poor kids would struggle when it comes to class because they are not use to the type of education that the rich kids are use too. when it comes to race the black and white kids would not get along because the white kids would call them names for example the N word and many other hurtful things. so in conclusion i believe that RIDE should not create a plan to encourage greater economic integration in our schools because it would create many problems .we should just leave things the way they are now.
chanda_tho

Pro

I disagree with claim #1 because I think getting the government involved can help out in the situation by them taking action.
claim#2: A kid is still learning no matter what school they are placed in. All parent shouldn't care what school their child is placed in all they should care for is the learning opportunity their child is receiving.
claim#3: The no child left behind act, students are taking standardized test. The test doesn't give accurate results instead of the child learning the material all they're doing is learning the answers. Teachers now how to worry about how their students perform on the test that they cannot teach the way they would like to teach.
Debate Round No. 4
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by harmoniesophie 1 year ago
harmoniesophie
I see that you tried to state evidence however you didn't show exactly where you got that information. Therefore your argument for evidence is inconclusive.
No votes have been placed for this debate.