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torixx316
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JuliusMaximus
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should a president be able to take away our rights during a time of war?

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JuliusMaximus
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/24/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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torixx316

Con

No I don't believe this because without our rights how can we even do anything to defend ourselves since we no longer have rights... what does everyone else think?
JuliusMaximus

Pro

I believe that there are many instances when the reduction of American rights may be needed for instance, in times of war it may be necessary to suspend the writ of habeas corpus

"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."[1]



This clearly states that the Writ of Habeas Corpus can be suspended in times of conflict.


Furthermore, Abraham Lincoln , one of America's most esteemed president and warrior for civil rights issued the following proclamation.


By the President of the United States of America
A
Proclamation

Whereas the Constitution of the United States has ordained that the privilege
of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless when, in cases
of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it; and

Whereas a rebellion was existing on the 3d day of March, 1863, which
rebellion is still existing; and

Whereas by a statute which was approved on that day it was enacted by the
Senate and House of Representatives of the United States in Congress assembled
that during the present insurrection the President of the United States,
whenever in his judgment the public safety may require, is authorized to suspend
the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus in any case throughout the
United States or any part thereof; and

Whereas, in the judgment of the President, the public safety does require
that the privilege of the said writ shall now be suspended throughout the United
States in the cases where, by the authority of the President of the United
States, military, naval, and civil officers of the United States, or any of
them, hold persons under their command or in their custody, either as prisoners
of war, spies, or alders or abettors of the enemy, or officers, soldiers, or
seamen enrolled or drafted or mustered or enlisted in or belonging to the land
or naval forces of the United States, or as deserters therefrom, or otherwise
amenable to military law or the rules and articles of war or the rules or
regulations prescribed for the military or naval services by authority of the
President of the United States. or for resisting a draft, or for any other
offense against the military or naval service:

Now, therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, do hereby
proclaim and make known to all whom it may concern that the privilege of the
writ of habeas corpus is suspended throughout the United States in the
several cases before mentioned, and that this suspension will continue
throughout the duration of the said rebellion or until this proclamation shall,
by a subsequent one to be issued by the President of the United States, be
modified or revoked. And I do hereby require all magistrates, attorneys, and
other civil officers within the United States and all officers and others in the
military and naval services of the United States to take distinct notice of this
suspension and to give it full effect, and all citizens of the United States to
conduct and govern themselves accordingly and in conformity with the
Constitution of the United States and the laws of Congress in such case made and
provided.

In testimony whereof I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the
United States to be affixed this 15th day of September, A.D. 1863, and of the
Independence of the United States of America the eighty-eighth.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN.

By the President:

WILLIAM H. SEWARD, Secretary of State .




Citation: Abraham
Lincoln:
"Proclamation 104 - Suspending the Writ of
Habeas Corpus Throughout the United States," September 15, 1863.
Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American
Presidency Project
.[2]










[1] http://www.archives.gov...
[2]http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu....

Debate Round No. 1
torixx316

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JuliusMaximus

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Debate Round No. 2
torixx316

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JuliusMaximus

Pro

...ok seems everyone is forfeiting their debates with me.
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