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should cigarettes be displayed for sale.

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Started: 3/26/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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doyou.loveme

Con

this house does not support cigarettes being displayed for sale.

Read this
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Do you want your society being polluted by the utter disturbance from cigarettes?
well the display of cigarettes in shops definitely encourage this.

In the United Kingdom, there have been talks about banning cigarette displays in a bid to reduce smoking and discourage children from starting, ministers are also proposing the removal of vending machines in pubs and restaurants.

Public Health Minister Dawn Primarolo said: "It's vital we get across the message to children that smoking is bad. If that means stripping out vending machines or removing cigarettes from behind the counter, I'm willing to do that."

the fact of influencing children is another major for the ban of cigarettes being displayed.

She added: "Children who smoke are putting their lives at risk and are more likely to die of cancer than people who start smoking later."

Measures that make it easier to sell nicotine replacement gums and patches are also being considered.

Children who are confronted with cigarettes in their local shops are more than likely to pick up the habit of this kind of behavior being ok, thus leading to youth smokers in our community.

tell me do you want your child to suffer?

than banning the display of cigarettes should be a major priority for the government.
Tatarize

Pro

This is another example of bad to counter-act very bad. If cigarettes are legal product the sale and advertisement of them should be legal as well. If they are a deadly drug that nobody should have: ban them outright. This nonsense where the first amendment is crimped and stretched (and other various free speech provisions) in order to prevent an extreme wrong we opt for other wrongs.

Don't pussyfoot around, smoking is bad... ban it. Don't deny people their rights to display and offer legal goods for sale... don't keep them legal. If they kill hundreds of thousands of people and are bad things to do then don't let people do them. This sort of nonsense of beating around the bush with the number one preventable source of death if a joke.

There have been moves to force an R rating on any moving with smoking or prohibit advertising here there or whereever and it's all a crock. If it weren't for the Tobacco lobby there wouldn't be one peep about this nonsense and how they can't show a product they sell... it would be illegal end of story.
Debate Round No. 1
doyou.loveme

Con

Did you know that Most stores that sell cigarettes place them on counters between things kids like....candy, pretzels, and chips. Why do you suppose they do that????
Because tobacco companies pay them A LOT of money to keep cigarettes there.

The tobacco industry tricks kids into thinking that smoking is "cool" through their advertising, promotions, sponsorships of sporting events, and by paying to get their brands of cigarettes to appear in the movies. But tricking kids is only part of the story. Another important part of their plan is to make it easy for kids to get cigarettes. They know that about 90% of the adults who smoke started before the age of 18. So they realize that if they are going to hook new customers, they have to do it when they are young. So what better way to get them hooked than by first making kids think smoking is "cool", then making it easy for them to get tobacco products?

One way that they make it easy for kids to get cigarettes is through self-service displays (cigarettes that are on or in front of the counter.) They pay stores a lot of money to keep them there! This is one way that they spend over 16 million a day on advertising and promotions.

Why do they feel it's worth it? Because it works at getting cigarettes into the hands of children. Children learn to group things that belong together at an early age. Do you remember when you were little, teachers had you match objects? You know, things like a raincoat, an umbrella, and boots. The tobacco companies know that kids make associations. When they pay stores to display cigarettes, candy, and chips next to each other on counters, they are sending a strong message to children. They are telling kids that cigarettes are in the same class as the food they like to eat, so kids think cigarettes are safe. People who run the tobacco companies are pretty clever, aren't they? They start tricking us when we are very young.

Self service displays, besides being a "point of sale advertisement," not only trick children into thinking that tobacco products are safe, they also provide an easy way for children to get them. The young can easily get their hands on tobacco products when they are on or in front of the counter. Many stores, like WaWa put candy or other items children like near the cigarettes. (At Easter WaWa placed Easter candy and coloring books on top of a large end cap display.Children wanting the candy and books had to reach over rows of cigarettes packs to get them!)

It seems natural for children to hang around aisles in stores where there's candy or toys, so clerks don't pay attention to them. In addition, store clerks are often too busy waiting on customers to watch these displays. To make matters worse, the tobacco companies often package cigarettes with items that are attractive to kids; key chains, cameras, brightly colored pens...... The industry encourages children to shoplift cigarettes to get what is packaged with them. Once outside the store, they are tempted to try the cigarettes, or they give them to their friends.

Cigarettes cost pennies to make. If kids initially get addicted by shoplifting, the industry knows they'll have lifelong paying customers. What a great investment for the industry!

Self service displays should be banned because:

They send the wrong message to children. The cigarettes are placed between things like candy and pretzels. By association, children think cigarettes are as safe as the food they eat.
They provide easy access. Children are able to shoplift cigarettes, because the displays can not be monitored by busy clerks.
Children are more likely to be sold cigarettes from self service displays than form those displayed behind the counter, and to conclude i will repeat

Self service displays should be banned because:

They send the wrong message to children. The cigarettes are placed between things like candy and pretzels. By association, children think cigarettes are as safe as the food they eat.
They provide easy access. Children are able to shoplift cigarettes, because the displays can not be monitored by busy clerks.
Children are more likely to be sold cigarettes from self service displays than form those displayed behind the counter.
Tatarize

Pro

None of that is a problem if they were banned. Advertising isn't illegal. Cigarettes aren't illegal. Outlawing advertising of cigarettes is downright silly. If they are deadly, and they are, BAN THEM!
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
No.

Moderate and reasonable use of alcohol doesn't typically end in death.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
When alcohol is used as prescribed people are killed too. Again You completely ignore the fact that people die because of alcohol, dead is dead. How they died because of alcohol is irrelevant they are every bit as much dead as people who died from smoking. I will ask you again what is the magic number.
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
More the how than the cause. People are killed by bad patterns of use of alcohol. Whereas, when used as directed: cigarettes kill.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
You notice how Tat lists the numbers of people killed by alcohol every year, 400k. I wonder what the magic number is before Tat deems it to be banned. We know it has to be between 400k and 125k. What is the golden number Tat? So anything below 400k a year is all right?
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
I gave you an example of another product that kills people and you choose to ignore it. You are such a hypocrit.
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
The numbers have a bias towards cigarettes. 400k vs 125k isn't worth much.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
OK then you have a biased towards cigarettes and even though I gave an an example of another product that causes human misery you choose to arbitraily ignore it.
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
Tatarize
Clinical tests and empirical data isn't "my opinion". Cigarettes actually do kill people. They cause a number of very bad illnesses. In case you weren't paying attention.

All alcohol related deaths are less than a quarter the deaths due to smoking. Further, the alcohol deaths are due more to patterns of use. It isn't largely addictive and leading to illness. You simply do stupid stuff. They actually got rid of ephedrine because it is used in the production of meth. It kills very few. And no, statistics are clear on the issue. Tobacco is worse than all of those combined.

I never said they were illegal, I said they should be.
Posted by sadolite 8 years ago
sadolite
First and foremost cigarettes are not illegal. To single out a product that is legal for sale simply because you don't like it is arbitrary. It does not matter what you think about the health risks, they are your opinion. Alcohol is bad for your health and it impairs your motor skills unlike cigarettes. Thousands and thousands of people are killed every year as a direct result of alcohol who had no health problems at all (Drunk Drivers), and thousands and thousands die each year as a result of liver failure from the consumption of alcohol. Thousands more lives are destroyed by alcoholism also. Ephedrine is another product that has a huge potential to be abused and kills thousands every year. Ephedrine is the main component in methamphetamine or meth you can buy it in any drug store and a few other chemicals and some heat and you have meth. Far more deadly than cigarettes. With that said I shall go outside and have a smoke, yes I am a smoker but I will say I have no problems with restricting smoking indoors in public places.
Posted by Tatarize 8 years ago
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Sadolite, if you have something half as deadly as cigarettes yeah, I'd want to ban that too. How about a specific example? Or are you just going to make up some phantasmagoric nonsense, pretend I support it and call me a hypocrite accordingly?
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