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liberal_at_heart
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Kleptin
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should clothing be mandatory

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Started: 1/20/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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liberal_at_heart

Pro

as it is well known that all humans born are not natural in garments but born of naked flesh then immediately are cloth and covered ,shamed. why is this because we are afraid of our naked truth ... we as humans have obtained shame from our first mother and father Adam and Eve .. it was those two who sin in the garden of eden forcing us to see our self's as grotesque and naked.

"We live in an atmosphere of shame. We are ashamed of everything that is real about us; ashamed of ourselves, of our relatives, of our incomes, of our accents, of our opinions, of our experience, just as we are ashamed of our naked skins.
George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950), Anglo-Irish playwright, critic. Tanner, in Man and Superman, act 1." and
Kleptin

Con

I'm not quite sure what your position is, since the title is a question. But I shall argue the position that clothing is a necessity.

Biologically speaking, humans have comparatively little fur. This is because we originated from areas of warm climate with the sun overhead. As bipedal organisms, the sun does not strike our bodies, but strikes our head. This is why he have hair on our heads, but not as much on our bodies. Body hair would cause heat stroke and do little to no protection from the sun's rays in exchange.

However, as humans began to migrate out into colder climates, it is necessary for them to fashion their own methods of protection from the cold. Just as it is natural for us to migrate outwards, to be intelligent, and to abuse our environment for our own protection and means, so is it natural for us to construct and wear clothing.
Debate Round No. 1
liberal_at_heart

Pro

liberal_at_heart forfeited this round.
Kleptin

Con

Well, I guess I'm supposed to keep going.

Clothing, aside from being used to protect the body from the cold or the sun, is used to hide parts of our body. Not purely out of shame, but because it may be necessary for society.

One very simple example: Imagine if you will, primitive human beings in a society. The alpha male's mate is probably very attractive. This may make things very complicated when a beta male comes across the alpha and his mate and get an erection.

Thus, one cannot simply say that clothing is unnecessary and we shouldn't be ashamed of our bodies. Simply speaking, clothing is quite natural for us.
Debate Round No. 2
liberal_at_heart

Pro

clothing should be a personal choice and left up to the individual. clothing might of been used as instinct but one should not be forced to cloth them self all the time even in summer. It should be a natural born right to remain the way we are born, naked !!!!!
it is proves that nudity is healthy and lets our body breath and absorb More sunshine and vitamin D we don't normaly get with clothing on..
"Many naturists are convinced that increased exposure to the natural environment, made easier through nudity, can result in numerous health benefits. Sunlight has been shown to be beneficial in some skin conditions, and is required by the body to make vitamin D" (science america on nudity)
and in other studies the best sleep is achived while naked!

"Not only is sleeping naked more comfortable, but it's good for your health too. Increasing your level of comfort makes it easier for you to relax and sleep, so you get a better night's kip. The resulting deeper, longer sleep makes it easier for your body to regenerate and repair itself, and build up your energy for the day ahead"(sleepnaked.org)
further proves that being naked is a benefactor to our health and should also be up to the discretion of the individual
Kleptin

Con

"clothing should be a personal choice and left up to the individual."

Yes, so long as you cover up what needs to be covered up as dictated by society and what it feels is decent/indecent.

"clothing might of been used as instinct but one should not be forced to cloth them self all the time even in summer. It should be a natural born right to remain the way we are born, naked !!!!!"

I believe you mean "might have" not "might of". Your argument here is a false dichotomy. The fact that we do not need to wear as much clothing in the summer does not logically mean we should not wear any clothing at all. We should always wear SOME clothing in public, just different amounts.

"it is proves that nudity is healthy and lets our body breath and absorb More sunshine and vitamin D we don't normaly get with clothing on.."

False dichotomy. People who get exposed too much to the sun also have a high risk of skin cancer. The key is balance. Yes, sunlight helps us produce vitamin D. But being totally naked doesn't help us much more than wearing at least some decent covering, when you take into account the charge of public indecency.

""Many naturists are convinced that increased exposure to the natural environment, made easier through nudity, can result in numerous health benefits. Sunlight has been shown to be beneficial in some skin conditions, and is required by the body to make vitamin D" (science america on nudity)"

I examined this source. It appears all over google and never in a neutral site. This source is always in articles catered to nudists. In this case, it is not a very effective piece of evidence supporting your position because it is just an opinion formed by more nudists, not scientists or professionals.

"and in other studies the best sleep is achived while naked!
"Not only is sleeping naked more comfortable, but it's good for your health too. Increasing your level of comfort makes it easier for you to relax and sleep, so you get a better night's kip. The resulting deeper, longer sleep makes it easier for your body to regenerate and repair itself, and build up your energy for the day ahead"(sleepnaked.org)"

That's fine. As long as you don't sleep naked in public. I have no problem with what people wear in private.

"further proves that being naked is a benefactor to our health and should also be up to the discretion of the individual"

It doesn't "further prove" anything. Your first example was an opinion with some scientific merit, but fell apart because it didn't relate specifically to your argument.

This example about sleeping is fine because my main concern is that a decent amount of clothing be worn at all times IN PUBLIC. I have no problem with people being naked in private. I don't think anyone else does either.

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My opponent's argument is essentially that clothing has no use and we should simply abandon it. My opponent offers 3 basic benefits:

1. It will allow you to absorb more sunlight
2. It is more comfortable
3. We don't need to be ashamed.

First, the sunlight example is useless because we can absorb more than enough sunlight wearing a modest amount of clothing. There's no need for us to be completely naked. That way, we can preserve some social dignity while getting a healthy benefit.

Second, what we do in private is up to us. What we do in public we should do in accordance with social rules. Not being naked is one of them. Sleeping naked in private is fine.

Third, I have shown that clothing as a method of hiding our genitalia is not a socially created "shame", but a biological necessity to maintain social harmony.

My opponent, being blinded by the few positive points of nudity, fails to see and address all the reasons why clothing *should* be worn.

I argue that clothing is as natural as human intelligence. When in public, you should be modestly clothed, at least covering the bare essentials.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Kleptin 7 years ago
Kleptin
Why is the Constitution the end-all-be-all of what ought be?
Posted by stephaniemiranda 7 years ago
stephaniemiranda
Hello I'm very interested in this topic, I am doing an essay on public nudity and I am just wondering where does public nudity falls in the constitution, where it the line of freedom and misdemeanor?
Posted by xsweetlove 9 years ago
xsweetlove
"Third, I have shown that clothing as a method of hiding our genitalia is not a socially created "shame", but a biological necessity to maintain social harmony."

AHAHAHA... that's to say everyone would start groping each other if we weren't fully dressed?
Posted by Kleptin 9 years ago
Kleptin
Rather, the human inclination to wear clothing.

I'm not that senile x.x clothing doesn't grow on trees.
Posted by mmadderom 9 years ago
mmadderom
Interesting debate.

because of Kletptins very last sentence, liberalatheart gets my vote.

"I argue that clothing is as natural as human intelligence. When in public, you should be modestly clothed, at least covering the bare essentials."

Sorry. There is nothing natural about clothing. I don't buy the Adam and Eve reason for wearing clothes, but to call it "natural" is absurd.
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