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ojmartinez25
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shlh1514
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should illegal immigrants ive in the Unites States

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/21/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 1,015 times Debate No: 760
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ojmartinez25

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They should live in the United States because, they come here to work, have baby with their wife in the US, and have a better life. I also think that they are a hard-worker with a good talet. If all of the illegal immigrant that make up 5% of the american population were gone tomorrow, accordingly about 5% of jobs would be left empty tomorrow. all of these niches would be UNFULFILLED. it is important that we not just send them all away. in fact, you admit this yourself by claiming that there is a problem because they take a lot of Jose from americans. on subject: you back up your argument by saying "the illegal immigrant our taking jobs from our impoverished that would love the job." anytime that anyone ever takes a job, they are destroying the hypothetical opportunity for another to have that job.
these immigrants came here for reason. they came hereto make money because where they came from they were surrounded by poverty. they deserve those jobs, just as much as the next impoverished guy. most illegal immigrants are certainly in poverty.
shlh1514

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I think that illegal immigrants are lawbreakers and if caught should be sent back to the country of origin. Why? Becaus these people take the jobs of others and lie on who and where and etc. Not only they get to the US illegally, but they forge Us based documents, hoping not to get caught. I saying that illegal immigrants are people that break the laws and only do it to find freedom, but they should do what other people did, apply for residentship or citizenship. But, never to sneak to the US and hope not to get lucky, because they will get caught and continue it. Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers and people that waste peoples' tax money trying to hunt them down. They can go to a life of lawbreaking like drug dealing, robbery, etc. We don't know who these people are and they can do bad things. I'm not saying all illegal immigrants are bad, but their are some out there.
Debate Round No. 1
ojmartinez25

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I know alot about you by reading and seeing your profile. You like soccer. You got picture of latin america soccer team. I also know that you are hispanic. I also know that your parent were illegal immigrants before they came to the US. Your name is Santos Herrera. So if you are Against illegal immigrants you are letting your parent country down and YOUR PEOPLE DOWN!!!! Back to the topic!!! Illegal immigrants are not lawbreaker. You also say that illgeal immigrantsare drug dealer, robbers, and etc. They are not drug dealers like some US citizen people thet go to the street to sell them. Some US citizen women also sell themself to get money. You also say that illgeal immigrants just come here to have freedom and have a better life. SO I DON'T CARE WHY YOU SSAY THESE WORD WHEN YOU ARE A FULL BLOOD HIPANIC BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shlh1514

Con

Number 1) How am I letting my "parent countries down?" And Number 2) How am I letting " YOUR PEOPLE DOWN!!!!?". And women sell themselves because its their chose. Tell me that. You said " Illegal immigrants are not lawbreaker." How are you sure they are lawbreakers. They are already breaking the law by going through the border without being a citizen. You said " They are not drug dealers like some US citizen people thet go to the street to sell them." They can be doing that. YOU don't have any sufficient proof that that they aren't drug dealers, etc. You said " Some US citizen women also sell themselves to get money." As I said before, it is THEIR chose to do it (sometimes). And being hispanic mean anything or it doesn't put me to be for illegal immigrants living in the US. Race is by definition is 1. a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related. From http://dictionary.reference.com...
Debate Round No. 2
ojmartinez25

Pro

ojmartinez25 forfeited this round.
shlh1514

Con

Since you never answered any of my questions nor did you tell me your argument I will continue abut how the illegals waste our money hunting them down.The money spent was Below is a sample of homeland security items in the FY2007 Budget, their estimated costs, and the time it takes the Pentagon to burn through the same amount in Iraq. This was the proposed budget as of Feb. 2006. I am not sure how much of this was approved.

* 1,500 new Border Patrol agents: $459 million ($306,000 per agent)
Iraq spending equivalent: 1.9 days

* Container Security Initiative (CSI) to pre-screen U.S.-bound cargo at more than 40 foreign ports: $139 million
Iraq spending equivalent: 13.9 hours.

* An additional 6,700 Detention Bed Spaces to replace "catch and release" with a "catch and return" policy: $410 million.
Iraq spending equivalent: 1.7 days

* An enhanced Worksite Enforcement program to "send a strong deterrence message to employers who knowingly hire illegal workers…": $41.7 million
Iraq spending equivalent: 4.2 hours

* Border technology to enhance electronic surveillance: $100 million
Iraq spending equivalent: 10 hours

* 18 additional Fugitive Operations teams (raising the total to 70) dedicated to catching the estimated 450,000 individuals who have absconded following their deportation orders: $30 million
Iraq spending equivalent: 10 hours

* Completion of the San Diego Border Infrastructure System, including multiple fences and patrol roads: $30 million
Iraq spending equivalent: 3 hours

And now for the grand finale. Although this last item is the least costly, it may yield one of the biggest benefits.

After the first 10 miles of border fence was completed, arrests of illegal immigrants trying to cross the San Diego border sector plummeted from about 25,000 per year to 3,000 per year. But of course the San Diego fence pushed the illegal influx eastward, into the (less hospitable) Arizona desert.

A serious commitment to border security would require fencing off the entire southern border—all 1,891 miles of it. (For comparison, we have 40,000 miles of Interstate highways.) At $1.7 million per mile (the cost of the first 10 mile stretch in San Diego), the entire U.S.-Mexican border could be sealed off for $3.3 billion dollars.
That money culd have been for way better uses to help students or help cites in need.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by griffinisright 9 years ago
griffinisright
Very good debate shlh1514! You def. won this one! I will look forward to debating you on drinking and smoking!
PS: ojmartinez25 "should illegal immigrants ive in the Unites States" I know I am not perfect either but check into spell check. It really hurts you when you miss spell words. Just trying to help you out.
Posted by RepublicanView333 9 years ago
RepublicanView333
WOOOOOOOOW not once but twice you copy and paste a statement from my debate on yours...what a cheater...if you can't debate using your own words don't debate...thats plagerism..little hispanic boy...plagerism is against the rules...
Posted by shlh1514 9 years ago
shlh1514
What I meant was being hispanic mean nothing in this debate.
Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
kels1123
immigration is fine , but ILLEGAL immigration is wrong ...
Posted by adamh 9 years ago
adamh
ojmartinez25, you're wrong in so many ways. The illegals take from our system and don't put a cent back into it.
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