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potter1693
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StephenAlsop
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should public schools set aside a time to pray or meditate?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/17/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
Viewed: 3,817 times Debate No: 10155
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potter1693

Pro

I believe that public schools should set aside a time to pray or meditate, because according to the pledge of allegiance it says one nation under god. That tells us that this is a free country to do whatever we want as long as it does not compromise with the law. But in my opinion we are smarter to figure out, all I'm asking for a minute to pray or meditate for every student regardless of their religons affilation.
StephenAlsop

Con

First i would like to thank my opponent because without him this debate would not be possible.

I would like to first state the resolution and then give my own definition.

should public schools set aside a time to pray or meditate?

Should public schools set aside time a designated amount of time to pray or meditate?

First i will refute my opponents contentions then i will state my own.

My opponent stated "I believe that public schools should set aside a time to pray or meditate" the key word here being believe. This is his personal opinion then he states that the Pledge of Allegiance says under god this very Pledge of Allegiance is being debated for that reason. The fact that my opponent based his debate on something so unconstitutional as this shocks me! This is because the freedom of religion is based on the principle that we can worship whoever or whatever we want and it doesn't have to be a monotheistic Cristian god!! Then he says that he just wants a minute to pray why don't you do it during lunch instead of wasting government time and resources.

Now i will talk about my four main points and that is the social standpoint, the economical standpoint, the religious standpoint, and the political standpoint.

My first stand point is the social standpoint:
Right now as an American citizen i have the right to freedom of religion this includes how i practice my religion this means it is unconstitutional to set aside a time that i need to meditate or pray. Also i have the right to worship the devil so what am i supposed to do during this time go and commit crime that will get me into hell?

My second standpoint was the economical standpoint: This is a waste of money and time for the government which means your tax dollars are hard at work getting put in to prayer time. The government found it more suitable for children to have nap time.

Third is my Religious standpoint in the amendments we have a right to freedom of religion. The American Human Association put it very well:
"The practice of reciting the Pledge in public schools specifically targets children, inculcating them with a monotheistic message not held by millions of Americans. This is not a passive reading of a historic document but an active swearing of a loyalty oath to one's country and, since 1954, an avowal that our nation exists 'under God,' which is tantamount to prayer.
http://undergod.procon.org...

My last point is the Political Aspect of this resolution
The fact that this whole debate is against the Constitution that American men and women have fought and died for brings it down to do we as Americans believe in the things that our country stands for!

For these four reasons i urge a strong vote in the negation of this resolution.
Debate Round No. 1
potter1693

Pro

According to freedom of religion ; A state law athorizes a one minute period of silence in all public schools "for meditation or voluntary prayer." An artical called "School year brings focus on conflect over religion in public schools," it says and I quote "setting aside quiet time to allow students a moment of reflection or prayer is allowed, but students cannot be forced or coerced to pray. And while students may be taught about religion."
StephenAlsop

Con

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

This is the first amendment no where in here do you find anything about times being set aside to pray. In a magazine that one company wrote and probably in biast.

For the reason that my opponent has not countered any of my aruments and i have countered all of his i urge a strong vote in the negation of this resolution

Thank you
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by ournamestoolong 7 years ago
ournamestoolong
You are an incredibly lazy Christian if you cannot set aside one minute of your own time to pray.
Posted by Lydia_Rose 7 years ago
Lydia_Rose
i am for the con. I am an atheist and a high school student. I should not have to be forced to pray or believe in something that i do not believe exists. In fact, other than learning the history of religion (like, how each religion came to be, and a basic knowledge of what various religions believe in), schools should not even relate to religion at all. School is a place to learn, not to pray and enforce your religious beliefs. And just because the Pledge of Allegiance says "Under God," it does not mean that every single American believes in God. I don't even say "Under God" when reciting the pledge. And, just incase anyone tries to tell me that i don't love my country for not saying it, i do like America. Just because someone doesnt say a religious part of the pledge does not mean they hate the country. Being Patriotic has nothing to do with religion either. They are two completely different things.
Posted by StephenAlsop 7 years ago
StephenAlsop
thats your problem your whole debate is bassed on what you belive !!!
Posted by potter1693 7 years ago
potter1693
I am the person who chose that side but I believe school should pray once and a while
Posted by brady1248 7 years ago
brady1248
That is why schools have FCA!
Posted by CrusaderDebater 7 years ago
CrusaderDebater
It's too hard for the AFF to defend a question for the Resolution because it generally becomes a debate about opinions.
Posted by brady1248 7 years ago
brady1248
I believe that schools should not set aside time to pray but you should be able to do it during your own time.
Posted by daniel_t 7 years ago
daniel_t
Marauder, according to the resolution, the "moment of silence" is for the express purpose of praying or meditating. Here you are saying that during that time, I *can't* do what the moment is expressly purposed for? That sounds like discrimination against my religion, which is something that is forbidden under US law.

Now if pro wants to change the resolution to simply say a moment of silence should be observed for any purpose the student wishes, then things are different.
Posted by StephenAlsop 7 years ago
StephenAlsop
Not only that but state law authorizes only it does not say we have too that is why we debate this matter
Posted by Marauder 7 years ago
Marauder
daniel_t, are you kidding!? Pro quoted "...but students cannot be forced or coerced to pray...."
a moment of silence forces you into nothing other than keeping your tong from moving for a minute.
If your religion said you cant pray silently then you'll just have to pray later.
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