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x69tallywacker
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moneystacker
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should the legal drinking age be lowered to 14

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moneystacker
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/6/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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moneystacker

Con

I say no mainly for the following reasons which I will present in next round since this looks like acceptance round. 1. Kids are still developing the ability to choose According to neuroscience. 2. American Tradition or view of drinking can't be changed without major consequences in the process thus this isn't worth it (someone who judged my last round didn't understand this argument, I am willing to risk this one again for someone who does). I nah Present more arguments but yeah I await my opponents case and then will present mine.
Debate Round No. 1
x69tallywacker

Pro

If a 14 year old were to get drunk they would make key mistakes to learn from while they are still a developing teenager. Also, at 14 they aren't allowed to drive legally which would rid away any cases of a DUI or DWI. While being able to drink they have 2 years to learn where the safe limit is for their body and be wise enough and learn enough to be mature and not drink and drive. This is a major problem because at 21 persons can drink freely for the first time and just get in their car and think they will be okay because they have not had years to learn from their mistakes.
moneystacker

Con

Observation 1: Just some clarification of my tradition argument. I am not saying lowering the drinking age cannot work the resolution doesn't say Can we lower the drinking age to 14 it says SHOULD we. I am saying we shouldn't lower the drinking age to 14 because it will increase drop out rates, drinking and driving accidents, and other things. It's like geeoegineering to combat climate change, sure the method could work but it would cause horrible storms, destroy crop growth and shrink the atmosphere. What I am suggesting is that after a long period of time maybe 100+ years this could work however it SHOULD not be used because by then drop out rates will be insane, poverty rates high, the death toll will be insane.

We are debating SHOULD not CAN.

1.Underage working will not work in America for many reasons.
We can look to a statement that explains drinking practices in certain geographical locations. On http://www.sirc.org...... the database makes the following statement. "In terms of everyday transitions, cultures (such as the US and UK) where drinking is associated with recreation and irresponsibility, tend to have higher levels of alcohol-related problems. " In societies with an ambivalent, morally charged relationship with alcohol (such as the UK, US, Australia), "celebration" is used as an excuse for drinking." Drinking in other countries drinking is shown to be like this "Societies in which alcohol is traditionally an accepted, unremarkable and morally neutral element of everyday life - such as the Southern European cultures of Italy, Spain, and Greece - tend to favor "uninhibited", highly visible drinking-places, with large windows and open spaces, such that customers are clearly displayed. Even where the climate does not allow permanent outdoor tables, a glassed-in pavement section is common. The drinking-place extends physically into the environment, overlaps and merges with the everyday world, just as "the consumption of alcohol is [as] integrated into common behaviors as sleeping or eating. Also what we Americans call "clubs" is different in those countries. In our country clubs are wild and full of crazy activities. If you go to a high school party you know what I mean. In other countries they have meeting areas where young teens specifically drink in a organized calm matter. Drinking is a normal non-extreme activity that isn't seen as intrinsic to moral character or intrinsic to an individual. Also drinking like this has been done in those countries for generations. It's an established tradition not a recently formed activity. Its common sense that it will Americans will never view drinking as a common activity like sleeping or eating.

Next we must define tradition

tradition=a way of thinking, behaving, or doing something that has been used by the people in a particular group, family, society, etc., for a long time- Merriam Webster

HE states that we must expose 14 year olds to drinking so they can get used to it however traditions cannot be changed or they can take centuries to change on http://www.sirc.org....... Just This article http://fwcs.k12.in.us...... states that adolescents lack the ability to judge how much the should drink. Letting 14 year olds drink is not worth it as stated in the same database "lack of concentration motivation, and missed assignments are signs of drug abuse, this leads to drop outs. Also the brain is undergoing transformation around this age as shown in the article I presented above and the article even states that no amount of drinking is safe for 14 year olds. The fact that substance abuse among 14 year olds leads to drop outs leads into an article done here https://www.dosomething.org...... that shows the lost possible income from a student dropping out of school. Alcohol consumption on a mass scale by 14 year olds will have drastic affects. Furthermore no major politicians are proposing to lower the drinking age to 14 because they realize this method will not work. My opponent doesn't prove that such a drastic policy will even be able to be passed and utilized in the American society. The only reason this method of lowering drinking to 13-15 or so works in other countries is because its tradition that has been established for generations. That raises a question for my opponent, "how can you change the way society as a whole views drinking?" Viewers there is no way to effectually implement and insert a new detrimental drinking policy in America in a short time frame before the negative affects hit 14 year olds and increase drop out rates and unemployment rates in America.

Lastly he makes this argument "Also, at 14 they aren't allowed to drive legally which would rid away any cases of a DUI or DWI. While being able to drink they have 2 years to learn where the safe limit is for their body and be wise enough and learn enough to be mature and not drink and drive." But the problem is if we lower the drinking age to 14 then they will Probally lower the driving age and age to do other things. This will actually support a suggestion that is being debated by the government now to let adolescents or teens choose there medicines. Since 14 year olds are still developing te ability to make the right choices, this would be drastic in deed.

Because tradition and social views on drinking will lower the effectiveness of such a proposal and because 14 year olds lack the ability to make choices I urge a Con vote.
Debate Round No. 2
x69tallywacker

Pro

x69tallywacker forfeited this round.
moneystacker

Con

moneystacker forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
x69tallywacker

Pro

x69tallywacker forfeited this round.
moneystacker

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
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Vote Placed by birdlandmemories 1 year ago
birdlandmemories
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Reasons for voting decision: Both debaters forfeited. but con's arguments were more in depth and backed by sources.