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should we allow religious leaders to take part in the parliment

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Started: 2/13/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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elnour

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if we allow religious leaders to take part in the parliment we would be able to inprove our socitecty by influncing them to correct path, which leads them to succed and hope fully go to heaven
Mangani

Con

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean by "parliment", but by that I assume you mean the US Congress and/or the Legislative body of government.

By "should we allow religious leaders to take part", and given your opening statement, I'm going to argue against your position from the point of you that I am interpreting your statement as saying that somehow religious leaders have some kind of moral "upper hand" on regular citizens who can take part in Congress, and that somehow these religious leaders can influence you to the point that you will go to heaven.

First of all, I don't believe religious leaders have a "moral upper hand" on anybody. Being a religious leader doesn't mean you are predisposed to being a good citizen, following laws, writing laws, being politically savvy, nor do I believe religious leaders should be automatically respected as knowledgeable in any of these areas. Need I point out the countless "religious" leaders and ex-members of the "Moral Majority" who have been accused of homosexuality, soliciting prositution, corruption, and other moral crimes?

I also don't believe one person can teach another anything that will gain them entrance into heaven. There is no religion based on Heaven and Hell that doesn't teach that God has the final judgement. The core of these religions teach that God's judgement is not based on "earning" your way into heaven, rather they are based solely on his mercy (you can argue this all day, and any scripture you point out will eventually take you back to his mercy).

Not only do I believe these things, but I believe inclusion of your religion in political decisions can be a hinderance to the overall interests of the people in general.
Debate Round No. 1
elnour

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Mangani

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Debate Round No. 2
elnour

Pro

well firstly yeas i am a britsh citizant, and we have parliment in the uk, they take most of the decisions,
back to our argument, religious leaders are insperiation, they represt god in away as i stated in the past, our societcy is falling apart, day by day, minute, by miunte, we need some one with great sense, no offense but look at how corapted america is now, it's the casue of war around the world, look at the way people are treated if we get people who represent most of the citizants in the UK, then our uk would turn into a better place.
Mangani

Con

"religious leaders are insperiation"

-To who?

"they represt god in away as i stated in the past"

-So God asks these leaders to represent him? What if they disagree amongst each other? What if they are not from the religion you adhere to?

"no offense but look at how corapted america is now"

-Sure. This only bolsters my argument. Let's look at how corrupted America is now (which, by the way, you present no examples of how, but let's just say hypothetically speaking). The commander in chief is a "born again Christian" and has followed the advice and lobbying of religious leaders. Other religious leaders have been arrested for various degrees of corruption. Let's move on to your next point...

"it's the casue of war around the world"

-You mean the war that God ordered George Bush to carry out? If you recall, he was asked by a journalist how he will answer to the American people. The danger with religious leaders, or even leaders who claim to be religious will give answers like "I answer to a higher power" which was GWB's response.

"look at the way people are treated if we get people who represent most of the citizants in the UK, then our uk would turn into a better place."

-Do you have any statistical evidence to prove how any religious leader in UK would represent "most of the citizens in the UK"? If there were one, wouldn't you be telling me his/her name rather than asking for one?

Your position cannot be taken for the topic of this debate. In the topic you simply state that "relgious leaders should be allowed to take part in the parliament", but they are already allowed to do so. From the context of your argument I can infer that you actually PREFER that religious leaders use their religion to make things better for your country through parliament. My position is that religion doesn't enhance the abilities of a member of parliament to legislate, and in some cases may even be a hinderance to society.
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Posted by Mangani 9 years ago
Mangani
Parliament is still the Legislative body of that country, that is why I basically expanded my understanding to include any Legislative body. Thanks for pointing out he is from UK, but I think it would apply equally in either situation.
Posted by Scyrone 9 years ago
Scyrone
Mangani, he means parliament, not US Congress or Legislative. In his profile he is from the UK. There they have a parliament.
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