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should we arm school teachers?

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Started: 4/18/2016 Category: Society
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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All people in any country live in constant fear of shootings due to failure of gun control. I think arming school teachers is the best option to ensure safety of school children.


If giving school teachers armed weapons, how will they know how to use it. If a 82 year old teacher has a gun, wouldn't (s)he have a slow reaction time/ and probably doesn't even know how to use it? another thing is they would a license for a gun. And why would you say teachers. You should just up security than give innocent people who probably never held a hand gun before.
Debate Round No. 1


Even if teachers dont know how to use guns, still then they might try to protect the class from shooters as best as possible. Its better to act rather than getting killed by bloody shooters. Your idea is security guards at school campus is o.k. but school securities may take time to act if a shooter has already entered the classroom. Best option arm the teachers with M16's.


1) an m-16? really?!? 2) People can barely use Handguns. Why an m-16? 3) You are saying if the shooter enters the classroom, the teacher could just shoot him. Even if the teacher had a gun, the response time would be not well because the shooter already can see the whole room. So if the shooter enters the room than your are already dead. No doubt about that. But classrooms will be already locked, so the shooter can't get in. And if the teachers had a gun, then it would be a fire fight, and the number of lives at risk are increasing. 4) Your intentions are not to be protected by a shooter. Your intentions is that you want to see a teacher with a gun. 5) It's already had to get a handgun with all the new gun laws out there. But you are saying an m-16. That mofo is huge. That could take out a police squad. I really wont think an M-16 will do any good at a school.
Debate Round No. 2


Number 3 doesnt make any sense. You please tell me through your heart that in which of the following cases , the number of fatalities will be more.

1)students studying in a room. Teacher teaching. You hear gunshots. You lock the door but gun man open fires through the corridor window. Unarmed teacher prays to god but nothing happens students and teachers get killed.

2)students studying in a room. Teacher teaching. You hear gun shots. You lock the door. Gunman open fires through corrider window. Armed teacher fights back. Students and teachers ars safe.

Ita better to fight rather than die if anyway your going to die. Gamble because you got nothing to loose.


Gamble? OK... no. Our moral right now is life. And point 3 is this. Your are saying that "Hay we should let teachers have guns to keep us safe." You are saying that guns wont be harmful but helpful to us. Because we are protected. If a classroom is breached, the gunman takes out the teacher first. No time to grab a gun. In Texas for instance, the teachers must keep the gun in a Lock Box with a keyed lock. No time to waist so
teachers can and should Barricade the classroom door if there is a Lockdown Event in progress.
Why let an intruder into the classroom to begin with. They need a door barricade device like Nightlock Lockdown attached to the classroom door. Piling desks and classroom furniture in front of the door is slow and uneffective, and doesn't work on outward swing doors. But this device will and is now active in many school districts across the country. A simple device keeps bad guys out, and gives a teacher more time to prepare and hide students.
But lets look at this realistically. Schools have to pay taxes, bills, pay checks, food, supplies, equipment, specialists, rooms, fields, and a lot more. But if we average that they are 100 teachers in one school district. An m16 is between $10,000-$20,000. Not even including the rounds. Now that is about 50,000 to 100,00 dollars. And if you dont use the guns that is a waste of money. Educators did not go into their profession to be babysitters, and they certainly didn't go into it to be security guards. Now society is trying to force them to be both. How anyone could possibly secure those weapons so that students could never get a hold of them would be a nightmare- and unrealistic. And to think that if a school full of teenagers can access a weapon in every classroom that violence would DECREASE is absurd.
Moreover, teachers don't, in the main, have any desire to carry a dangerous weapon to work.
Debate Round No. 3


Still i feel door locking devices shouldnt be completely relied upon. We need alternative options. If not gun then what do you think is correct?


If i post my alternative and if you agree, than you forfeit the debate and i win. But the alternative is up security, install more cameras, and The class rooms all shoul be locked up per period. no open doors.
Debate Round No. 4


I dont agree. Suppose a shooter a well planned one shuts off the cameras and power supply then? I still believe gun is best option.


"If only the teacher or principal had a gun"" In the one year-plus since the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary, staunch gun rights advocates have promoted this scenario to lobby feverishly for the training and arming of school faculty. While many districts have implemented constructive measures to improve school safety " sharpening emergency response procedures, a greater focus on bullying prevention and a renewed interest in mental health services " many lawmakers and school board members have banged the drum to bring even more guns into the schools.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, more than 30 states in 2013 considered proposals to provide training and firearms to school staff. In March, South Dakota became the first to actually pass a bill allowing educators to carry concealed weapons. Six other states " Alabama, Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Texas " soon followed suit. Individual school districts have taken advantage of weak local gun laws and adopted their own policies to train and arm faculty.

Bill Bond, a school safety expert with the National Association of Secondary School Principals, disputes the premise that supplying educators with guns would help neutralize dangerous situations.

Bond speaks from experience. In December 1997, he was principal of Heath High School in Paducah, Kentucky when a student opened fire and killed three students and wounded five others.

"I"ve lived through this. Giving teachers and principals guns, training then as armed guards, is not how we should be focusing our resources to improve school safety," Bond says.

The push to put guns in the hands of educators isn"t going to stop anytime soon, according to Bond.

"In many state legislatures and school boards, this is a very big deal. And it"s gaining a little momentum. Teachers and principals don"t want it, but that hasn"t stopped a lot of politicians."

Last week, a Nebraska lawmaker re-introduced legislation that would permit staff to carry a concealed weapon in school. Bill 879, introduced by Sen. Mark Christensen, would apply to public and private schools, along with colleges and universities.

Educators are pushing back. Nancy Fulton, president of the Nebraska State Education Association, said categorically that there was "zero interest" on the part of teachers and education support professionals in her state to arm educators. The Colorado Education Association"s opposition helped scuttle similar legislation in 2013, although lawmakers have plans to reintroduce the bill in the wake of the recent shooting in Littleton.

"Guns have no place in our schools, period," says National Education Association President Dennis Van Roekel. "Lawmakers at every level of government should dismiss this dangerous idea and instead focus on measures that will create the safe and supportive learning environments our children deserve."

A 2013 NEA national survey found that only 22 percent of its members favored proposals to allow teachers and other school employees to receive firearms training and allow them to carry guns in schools, while 68 percent were opposed.

Countless law enforcement and school safety experts believe schools that arm their staff are inviting an unacceptable level of risk. Guns could be secured by students, or a manageable situation could easily turn deadly, for example. Proponents argue that staff would undergo extensive training to avoid these kinds of incidents, but critics respond that educators aren"t in school to be armed guards and no amount of training is going to change that.

"Suggesting that by providing staff with 8, 16, 40, or even 60 hours of firearms training on firing, handling, and holstering a gun somehow makes a non-law enforcement officer suddenly qualified to provide public safety services is a high-risk to the safety of students, teachers, and other school staff," said Ken Trump, president of National School Safety and Security Services.

The potential for an accident or a misjudgment was an overriding concern at a recent hearing in northern Idaho where a local school board is considering a measure to arm school staff. Social Studies teacher Tyler Haynes told the board that one bad decision or impulse by a member of the staff could easily result in an unnecessary injury or death.

"That frightens me, and I would hate to see something that"s designed to make more people safe or secure turn into our first real tragic situation in our schools," Haynes explained.

Bill Bond also urges elected officials to consider how arming educators could degrade a school"s learning environment.

"Teachers are in schools to teach. When you ask them to be security guards, you are distracting them from their jobs. Not one minute of the school day will go by when that teacher isn"t thinking about that weapon he or she is carrying," says Bond. "And what kind of message are we sending the kids? Educators are often their ultimate role model. Some students may think that carrying a weapon is the right thing to do."

"We"re all looking for a solution to an horrendous problem and I"m afraid " especially with the issue of arming educators " people just aren"t looking at all the ramifications."

So yeah. Vote Con and i hope my opponent had a good debate.

p.s go suck a lemon
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Dedpewl 6 months ago
just forfeit
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