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yeti
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donald.keller
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should we stop giving Israel billions of dollars in "defense"

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/5/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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yeti

Con

Yes. America is spilling billions of dollars to Israel and we can could be spending it on things that can benefit us. Even though Israel is a good ally they should fend for themselves. Osama bin Laden declared war on us because we were helping Israel. if we stop then we can improve relationships with the middle east and can help the outcome of the war.
donald.keller

Pro

Premise I: Financial Sacrifice

The US contributes $3.15 bn a year to Israeli Defense (1). This may seem like a lot, but it's very cheap for the US. That makes up only 0.0008% of total US Spending (2). The benefit of removing that money from Israel must outweigh the negative effects.


1) http://www.businessinsider.com...
2) http://www.usgovernmentspending.com...

Argument I: Benefits v Negatives

It's not a question of how much the Arab nations hate Israel. Palestine especially. Numerous nations have threatened Israel, like Iran. These nations have the backing of groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda, who recently conquered an entire Iraqi city of 325,000+ people (3). This becomes a major issue for a nation like Israel, where the West Bank and Gaze Strip bulge into Israel. A quick look at the city of Jerusalem should give us insight.

It's a sensitive situation in Jerusalem, and wars between Arab nations are not known their emphasizes on preserving civilian life. To allow an opening for war would be a disaster. The US being so involved is what prevents such an issue.

If Hamas got the chance at Jerusalem, an easy target, 511,000 Jewish/Christian citizens would be at risk (4). There is a total population of 8,000,000+ in Israel, 6,062,600+ of whom are Islamic and Christian.

Putting them at risk to save 0.0008% of our budget which be a crime against reason and humanity.

3) http://news.yahoo.com...
4) http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 1
yeti

Con

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donald.keller

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
yeti

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donald.keller

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by GodChoosesLife 3 years ago
GodChoosesLife
For a sec I thought you were pro.. this will be an interesting debate..
Posted by Input 3 years ago
Input
Hi Yeti!
Clarification:
If I understand your position, you are "Con" and against giving money to Israel. Correct?
I believe most debates need to be a statement & therefore phrased, positively toward your stance.
I just need sleep & am perhaps over-thinking. I agree in letting Israel fight their own wars and bringing our troops home for the US interests (for example, protection of domestic borders).
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