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dairygirl4u2c
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revleader5
Pro (for)
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32 Points

single issue voting on abortion, for president, for prolifers

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Started: 12/22/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

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Abortion should not be the sole issue, even by prolifer arguments.

fifty percent of the pulic favors the early allowance for abortion early in the pregnancy. those in favor of it are only going to vote for a democrat, are often democrats, in democrat states. they will veto any justice who wants to overturn roe v wade.

even if republicans are repeatedly voted in then, they're probably not going to be able to vote for anyone practically speaking who'd overturn. bc of those democrats. you'd be banking on the justices being wishy washy and maybe getting elected, by saying they'd be in favor of following precedent but it depends on the situation, whatever that means, mystique.

practically speaking, historically, regan appointed very many demorats on this issue. others did too, or republicans who follow precedent. that is a conservative principle, afterall. i'm not sure democrats are what's preventing an overturn, but the democrats can't be overlooked.
plus, republicans aren't that consistent in appointing prochoice, as regan was not etc.

also, as to the argument that we can take little bits out of the abortion laws... no one can tell me when i ask them what the game plan is. what's going to be attacked? when roe was decided, they also in a separte case decided the health of the mother can include her mental health too.
the partial birth ban was merely symbolic and didn't reduce abortions becasue they can occur in the womb then removed.

the bottom line seems to be that the country is divided, and that will be reflected in our system, and until that changes, abortion will not change. racism etc was not changed because we forced good guys in there, but because the country changed itself, it was a natural consequence. it seems far fetched and myopic to think you're going to force your way to change by the long and tediuous process of justices and such.

so if you're a prolifer, you can vote for them if they make sense in the big picture, and you can't disregard the issue completely i suppose, but you can't look at it alone.
revleader5

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So you are telling me that you believe in abortion? Your argument is obviously based on the fact that many people don't give others a chance to sway them in a topic before voting. I KIND of believe in voting for the best argument. I believe in giving both sides a chance to sway me on a topic, then I vote. You can give me 200 facts and figures. I'll read them all, but if you don't sway me, you lose.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Con

**So you are telling me that you believe in abortion? Your argument is obviously based on the fact that many people don't give others a chance to sway them in a topic before voting. I KIND of believe in voting for the best argument. I believe in giving both sides a chance to sway me on a topic, then I vote. You can give me 200 facts and figures. I'll read them all, but if you don't sway me, you lose.**

i'm not sure where you get that i favor abortion. in fact, i would outlaw it if i could. i'm only saying that voting for that issue alone is not wise, because it's an issue that most probably is not going to change.

i'm not even sure what you're arguing about people tryign to sway other people. democrats prevent justices who are bent on undoing past court opinions... this is the closest i can find for what your points are.
or, as for me swaying you, i've stated my case, and you need to respond to my substnative arguments, that abortion is not going to change anytime soon for the reasons i've said. simply saying i didn't convince you, if that's your intent in saying wht you did, is not an argument.
i need you to explain this "sway" stuff.
revleader5

Pro

Explain what the hell we're debating about and then I'll be able to answer you. I don't know what we're debating on.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Con

i reposted the debate and am debating with someone who is having less trouble with it. thank you for posting and maybe we will debate more in the future.
revleader5

Pro

You made no argument on any topic and then you try to embarass me saying I don't know what you're talking about? You really need to explain.

You basically debated nothing. I can't do anything here.
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