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some cases of torture are minimally, morally acceptable

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Started: 11/14/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ksungw105

Pro

(1.) Torture is the intentional infliction of physical and/or mental suffering on someone without one"s permission.
(2.) In minimal sense, breaking one"s will causes one to abandon autonomous decision-making in relation to some narrowly circumscribed area of their life for a limited period.
(3.) Minimal torture is that in the former case the victim"s will is broken only temporarily and in a contained manner, and their consequent humiliation is limited.
(4.) Torture targets autonomy itself, and seeks to overwhelm the capacity of the victim to exercise rational control over their decisions.
(5.) In extreme emergencies situations, extreme emergency is when any innocent person(s) is in danger such as nuclear bomb in a city, etc.
(6.) Morally justified is having ethical and right decisions or behavior.
(7.) It must be accepted in some cases such as to gain information, and/or to terrorise some political group to save the guiltless lives.
(8.) Torture should be done in the utmost emergencies to save the innocent lives. In one case, the car thief was trying to kill an innocent infant and the police believed that torture is the right thing to do because the thief from this case is known for his wrongness actions, so something must be done in order to stop him before more innocent people get hurt or get murdered in the worst incident.
(9.) Therefore, some cases of torture are minimally, morally acceptable.
Potoczak

Con

(1.) I do not agree with your definition of torture, Merriam- Webster"s Definition of torture is "something that causes mental or physical suffering : a very painful or unpleasant experience".
(2.) Torture does not always lead to ones will be broken but it does always lead to some form of suffering
(3.) Some victims of torture have been so psychologically damaged that even after being released they can no longer function as a normal adult.
(4.) I do not feel this statement is necessary in deciding whether or not torture is minimally morally justifiable.
(6.) This definition of "morally justified" is too vague.
(7.) I do not know what is the "it" you are referring too here
(8.) Article 5 of the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights says quite simply, "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."; There are no exceptions to the declaration of human rights.
(9.)To torture someone is to treat them as if they are less the human; to treat someone as if they are less than human is never morally acceptable.
(10.) Therefore, some cases of torture are not minimally, morally acceptable.

Controversial Premises
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Premise 1 is controversial until we can agree upon a definition of torture. 2 If torturing someone does not lead to them giving up the information the torturer is looking for that persons will has not been broken, yet they have still been tortured. 3 If someone"s will has been broken through torture the victim may remain psychologically damaged for the rest of their life. 4 I feel as if this premise fall within the definition of torture and does not need to be regurgitated. 5 the excessive use of statements within this premise makes your point unclear. 6 Please expand on this idea. 7 I can assume this premise addresses torture as the "it" but I would like to be sure this is the case before moving on. 8 Again, the use of several statements has clouded the original point.

Non-Controversial Premises
8 9 10

Questions/ Comments
In regards to premise 6 please redefine "Morally Justified"
In regards to the idea that torture should be used in emergency situations, Article 5 of the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights says quite simply, "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment." There are no exceptions.
To torture someone is to treat them as if they are less the human, to treat someone as if they are less than human is never morally acceptable.
The effectiveness of torture must also be brought into question.
Debate Round No. 1
ksungw105

Pro

I agree with your statement 3 that torture can give psychological damage to someone but I strongly believe that psychological damage is partially from physical and/or mental damage of someone"s. Also, I am talking about at utmost situation where torture is needed. Like I previously mentioned in my statement 5, let"s say that New York City is in big danger due to an organization of terrorism. What if an organization of terrorism is trying to set a nuclear bomb in NYC? If the person being tortured is from that organization who is trying to harm Americans and possibly kill millions of people, then torture is morally acceptable because it is the only way to find opportunities to save innocent lives. Once again, torture is minimally, morally acceptable because our people"s lives are more important than cruel criminals" lives.
Potoczak

Con

Potoczak forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
ksungw105

Pro

ksungw105 forfeited this round.
Potoczak

Con

Potoczak forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
ksungw105

Pro

Torture is not just hurting someone physically; many people think that torture is hurting someone by beating one up which can lead up to death sometimes. Like I mentioned, torture is minimally and morally acceptable only because innocent lives are what it matters. In other words, will you take the chance to save your family members whom are in danger or you wound not even take the chance of it? The chance in this case is torturing the homicide(s). There are many ways to torture someone, but people assume that only physical torture will occur. One example of unphysical torture is to make him/her not sleep at all; trying to make someone stay awake for days will make him/her go insane, or mentally deranged because human"s mind/brain must shut down and rest. By making them active constantly will cause mental and psychological effects and one will suffer much, just like what physical torture can give.
Potoczak

Con

Potoczak forfeited this round.
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