something can not be true and false at the same time.
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You being the con will clearly be unable to argue against the statement that - something can not be true and false at the see time.
I would like to thank my partner for creating this debate, and I thankfully accept. I will be CON, arguing that "statements can be both true and false at the same time".
Since BoP is obviously mine, I will present my points in the first round to not waste time.
RESOLUTION: "Something cannot be both true and false at the same time"
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True - "in accordance with fact or reality"
False - "not in accordance with fact or reality"
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A paradox is the general term used for statements that are both true and false. For example, the famous "Liar" Paradox is as follows:
"This statement is false"
You can already see what I'm going at here. If the statement is a truth, then it is also false, making it both at the same time. But if it is a falsity, is is also a truth. Same effect.
Need some more paradoxes?
The Pinnochio paradox: "What if Pinnochio said 'My nose will be growing now'?"
The Card paradox: "The next statement is true. The previous statement is false."
Please tell me that this isn't true and false at the same time.
Schrodinger's Cat is a famous illustration showing the principals of quantum indeterminacy.
We take a live cat, and put in in a steel box along with a device containing a vial of hydrocyanic acid. Hydrocynaic acid is, as suggested by the name, an acid, and is lethally dangerous for the cat should the vial be broken. Now, the mechanism attached to the vial will strike the glass with a hammer, which releases the acid onto the cat, if one single atom decays during the experiment.
The steel box is closed, and there aren't any windows. We can't see anything inside, so we don't know if the cat is dead, the vial has been broken, or that the substance has started decaying. It could go either way. We are, at that point, in a state of quantum indeterminacy. The cat would be both dead and alive from our perspective, according to quantum law.
There you have it. The statement "the cat is dead" in that situation would be both true and false.
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Anyway, thanks again to my partner, and to all viewers.
I don't use sources. I'm not a reader so I have no terminology I can use. Subjective and objective truths and falsity have no meaning to me. I can only put forward my views which are based upon my nature and my experiences.
First I will use your definitions of true and false.you definitions being about fact and reality. My problem here is your liar paradox is neither fact or have any value in reality. I'm sure there is a term out there to define this but I do not know it. My point is its a phrase of no meaning so is neither true or false. Its just pointless. In fact that applies to all step one paradox.
Step 2 the written word which appears to state true and false again is meaningless. Though it is both true and false it can easily be argued that it is neither true or false just ink on paper.
Step 3 the cat. If it is alive it is alive. If it is dead it is dead. It is not both alive and dead. Thats similar to if a tree falls and no one is around to hear it, does it make a noise. Well yes of course it does.
If something is true then it can only be true otherwise there can be no truth. If there is no truth then everything is merely an opinion which we use other people's writings to justify our stand point.
Well, hope your friend is convinced enough.
1. My Liar paradox, as well as the ones listed afterwards, is simply and illustration of reality. I may have breviated them for the sake of remaining lazy. If you'd like, I could create a scene in which they may or may not be truth or falsity.
Suppose you get a letter today, and it reads as follows:
I'm sending you this letter because I am onto a mystery. It seems that there are people smuggling stuff into New York. I've already found the truth, the second letter will be completely truthful and show you everything. I'm confident that something is up, just trust me."
Then the mailman stops you and says he forgot to add on another letter.
Sorry, I was wrong. Ignore the previous letter, it's simply a mess of lies. All of it. Sorry for the excitement I caused."
Given that you recieved them moments apart, what would you think about this? Did your cousin really find a mystery, or no? They cross-reffer, and they were obviously sent at the same time, so there cannot be any talk of him changing his mind. Give me a truth factor for either of the letters, and I will show you how it simply won't work.
The only answer is that only PARTS of these letters is true, and the rest is false. Therfore, it is a combination of both, and is TRUE and FALSE at the same time.
Suppose you get a card with words printed on either side. The first side says "All of the next statement is true", while the flip side says "All of the other statement is false". Determine a truth value for either. They are a combination of both truth and falsity, therefore they are both true and false
2. In his second rebuttal, my opponent stated that "it is both true and false". Because the very word appears subjectively as either true, or false, and it's actual truth value doesn't matter.
3. Yet one does not know if the cat is dead, or alive. The statement "The cat is dead" has a roughly 50% chance of being true, and a 50% chance of being false. Because reality is presumed from the beholder, we really have no bearing on wether or not the cat is dead or alive. And so, summing up both probabilities, the cat is both dead, and alive.
Besides, you are arguing agaist the existence of quantum mechanics. True, one doesn't necessarily have to accept the theories, but they do explain a lot of different things.
If a word can be read as true or false doesn't not make it true or false. If I write life and death to make them.both look like each other that does not make anything alive and dead at the same time. It's just ink. So it's neither true or false. If want to break it down you could say it's neither words as the letters used have been altered from the alphabet look to adapt your point. They are not true letters.
The cat may be dead. It may be alive. This is true. However if it is alive it's alive. If it's dead it is dead. Just because we do not know whether it's alive or dead doesn't take away from the truth.
Quantum mechanics are just another new way for us to understand certain things. Is it the answer to everything of course not. There is so much out there that we are unaware of.
The word true exists for a reason. If something can also be false it surely was never true. If there was any form of falsity it is not true. True can only be true. False can only be false.
You could argue maths teaches 2 negatives make a positive do 2 wrongs make 1 right. Opinions can be true and false at the same time but opinions aren't true or false they're just a thoughts. For example Hitler is a bad man. Some will find that to be true some will find that to be false. Would an ant think it true? No the ant wouldn't know any different. Same as how we are when understanding the universe, what it consists of, why it's here, how it works. How can any human say this is true or this is false. The truth will still be truth and false will be false.
Sorry for rambling. Hope it makes sense. Got baby tonight and she take up a lot of my attention. To sum this all up though of course somethings can be true and false at the same time. I think the only valid point I can put forward against that was- a truth alcan only be a truth otherwise it was never true to begin with.
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Reasons for voting decision: ff....just so you know the resolution is objectively false....a thing cannot be both here and not here, but for instance an individual can be both a male and a female right?
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