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speed debate: minimum wage

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Started: 9/10/2014 Category: Economics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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BobTurner

Pro

resolved: the minimum wage should exist

we're going to do three-hour rounds for the sake of simplicity.

BOP is on con because con will argue for the abolition of the minimum wage, or the opposite of the status quo. Therefore, Con will begin his arguments in the first round and pass the final round. If he fails to do either of these, he forfeits the debate.
ebagofgold

Con

Per the terms of the debate, I (Con) have been given the option of either arguing EITHER (i) "for the abolition of the minimum wage" OR (ii) for "the opposite of the status quo."

In the case of the latter, I (Con) only need to prove that the status quo (i.e., minimum wage laws as currently constituted and implemented) is untenable. Pro must argue for the status quo (i.e., that minimum wage laws as currently constituted are advantageous). Notably, if Pro argues for raising the minimum wage this is against the status quo and would be tantamount to a concession (on that issue).

Given the clear failing of current minimum wage laws, and to make things fair(er) I propose structuring the debate as a two-part debate addressing both of the posed questions. Thus, on top of arguing both for and against the status quo we will also debate whether the minimum wage laws are fundamentally flawed and should be abolished (Con's position) or whether they can be salvaged (Pro's position). I.e., do we throw out the baby with the bathwater?

Proposed Rules:

Arguments should be presented for each of the following discreet issues:
1) For and against the status quo (i.e., for or against the minimum wage laws as currently constituted and implemented); and
2) For and against trying to salvage versus scrapping minimum wage laws.

Winning on only one of the two points will constitute a draw, whereas winning on both points will constitute a win. BOP will remain with Con.

Con will argue first, with two rounds of arguments each (Con's first round of arguments are presented in this post). The first round of arguments will be for affirmative arguments only with both affirmative and rebuttal arguments allowed in the second round of arguments.

First Round Arguments:

Response to Issue 1: The Status Quo is Untenable:

Overwhelmingly the facts support that minimum wage laws are broken. Since 2009, the Federal mandated minimum wage is $7.25 per hour. While some states and municipalities have higher minimum wages than federally mandated, the highest state minimum wage is still only $9.32 per hour. Both of these figures are scandalously low and far less than a living wage in many locations. See, e.g., http://www.forbes.com.... Also, minimum wage has not kept up with inflation (which would put minimum wage at $10.88 per hour). Adjusting for economic growth (i.e., worker productivity or percentage of GDP) yields much more lop sided results (suggesting that minimum wage should be closer to $18-$23 per hour. See, e.g., http://www.nytimes.com.... In fact, in 35 out of 50 states, welfare pays more than minimum wage.
http://www.forbes.com.... Even a moderate increase in minimum wage would be insufficient to close the widening gap between minimum wage and a living wage. It is for this reason that only 3.3 million workers have wages at or below the minimum wage (1.0% of the population, 1.6% of the labor force, 2.5% of all workers, and 4.3% of hourly workers). See, e.g., http://www.bls.gov.... We have also fallen far behind the rest of the first world countries in terms of what how minimum wage compares to average income. See e.g., http://www.publicpolicy.ie....

Response to Issue 2: Minimum Wage Laws are Irreparably Broken:

The main points in this argument which I will expand upon later are 1) given political and social realities any patchwork repair of the minimum wage laws in unlikely to address the underlying issues contributing to poverty in the United States and 2) focusing on minimum wage detracts from the true issues at hand. I defer expanding on these arguments until the second round.
Debate Round No. 1
BobTurner

Pro

BobTurner forfeited this round.
ebagofgold

Con

Hopefully you will respond. I hate not having a person to debate against.
Debate Round No. 2
BobTurner

Pro

BobTurner forfeited this round.
ebagofgold

Con

ebagofgold forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
6 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 6 records.
Posted by Alduin 3 years ago
Alduin
Sure. What is the subject?
Posted by ebagofgold 3 years ago
ebagofgold
Really bummed Bob Turner flaked. Anyone up for this debate?
Posted by BobTurner 3 years ago
BobTurner
Cheyennebodie: everything you said is so unbelievably ignorant. Sending you a debate challenge.
Posted by cheyennebodie 3 years ago
cheyennebodie
I say scrap it.It is an unrealistic number.Most wages are above that number already. And there are jobs out there that take very little skill to do. Like flipping hamburgers.Almost everybody can develop skills that would make them more money.But if they are too lazy to even try, then why should government force a business to pay more than the job is worth.The employee does not set the value on a job, the guy who is responsible to get the product or service to the customer is.An employee can increase his skills and become worth more. And if the employer wants to be stupid and stand a chance of losing a good employee that is on him.Another business down the street would almost certainly pick him up.But what is the difference in skill level of a fast burger flipper and one that is not that fast. Not much.So, there is just so much a business owner can pay and still be competitive.If government forces a man to pay more than a job is worth, then he would have to raise his prices.And from experience anytime you do that business slows down.
So, quit looking to government to get you more. Look in the mirror and grow up. There are thousands of ways to make more. But not if all you do is sit and wait for government to pamper you, You do not need big brother to wipe your nose every time you get the sniffles.
Posted by BobTurner 3 years ago
BobTurner
pro is keep the min wage, con is saying scrap it.
Posted by Alduin 3 years ago
Alduin
Are you saying get rid of min wage or increase it or what?
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