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terorisem should not be blamed on muslims only on islam

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/25/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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banker

Pro

establishing islamic guilt for terorisem is done by the the turn of events or a alternative used to prove guilt. using parts of qoran in debate is not honest and ilogical here is why
1) just like oj simpsons dnial could not be used as evidance
2) allah should hire dale carnegie instead of muhammud -since no one sluaghtered people, after reading dale,s book... - so the best excuse allah has is having a major communication problem... so using a book thats so guilty of bieng mis understood is non appropriate..!!
3) since aside of the terror and hate,islam is a good religion challanging the quran is not our miision and defeats the purpose.
we assume that we all agree that islam killing gay kids is wrong.! and hanging rape victims is wrong!
InsertNameHere

Con

First off, I'll like to thank my opponent for challenging me to this debate. I'll begin by first defining the word "terrorism":

ter�ror�ism (těr'ə-rĭz'əm)
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

There are several violent acts committed around the world which would fit under this definition while only a small percentage of Muslims in the world support these acts thus concluding that these acts must be blamed on individual Muslims rather than Islam as a whole.
Debate Round No. 1
banker

Pro

Welcome.blaming "type of individuals" is wrong.. because if we are not blaming the culture the blame is falling on the people, (hence accepting the notion that terrorism is a Arab thing)..which is a racist notion.!
since the biggest victims are Muslims themselves its not something easily dismissed as coming only from some bigots!!here is reasons why :
1) example you see how Muslim girls feel http://www.ansamed.info...
2)chopping of kids hand for shop lifting and hanging gay kids ,and hanging rape victim girls in nations run by sharia law is not something limited to some extremists and its victims are Muslims
3)If only a few extreamists approve it,where is mainstreams out cry for help to save their own victims.!
InsertNameHere

Con

I would like to point out two things, starting with your point stating that terrorism is an Arab thing. Only about 18% of all Muslims are Arabs, a small percentage which means not all terrorists can be Arabs. There are acts of terror in many Non-Arab countries such as Afghanistan, India, and many Non-Arab African countries. One such example of Non-Arab Islamic terrorism is this: http://www.cnn.com... .

Next point I would like to address is that it's impossible to blame Islam for terrorism when you have deserters(http://english.aljazeera.net...). This proves Islamic teachings are against terrorism as people wouldn't be deserting if they weren't.
Debate Round No. 2
banker

Pro

I assume we now agree that Blaming "type of individuals" is wrong. As I pointed out" that (hence accepting the notion that terrorism is an Arab thing)Which is a racist notion." and i pointed out 3 reasons why the notion is wrong and racist! Moreover I see you added a additional point that only 18% Muslims are Arab which makes it a total of 4 reasons ... furthermore I would place your link of the story about " deserting in Afghanistan" as additional proof that without the culture of hate the Muslims are nice people. And we need more of this type of stories… but if we get stories like this http://www.asianews.it... or http://www.realcourage.org...-/ lets not blame the people only its culture
InsertNameHere

Con

Blaming "type of individuals" based on race or ethnic group in this situation is incorrect as there's Muslims from all backgrounds. By labelling all Muslims as terrorists you would even be labelling your own Muslim community there in the US as "terrorists". As Islam itself is against these acts of terror this conclusion would be incorrect. Many Islamic scholars have ruled against terrorism and suicide bombings as something that goes against the Qur'an(http://www.islamfortoday.com...). It all goes down to the motive as to why these certain "Muslim" individuals are committing these acts of terror. There are varied opinions, but a widely accepted one is the US occupation of Iraq. The people feel oppressed and want to fight back.
Debate Round No. 3
banker

Pro

Since my position against blaming individuals is clearly established by my position as pro /and the last 2 rounds, I like to make 2 additional points 1) the argument con made blaming the victims of jihad, for jihad. & saying" US occupation of Iraq. The people feel oppressed and want to fight back" is nullified by con's own link to a site (that i like and request more of that -but unfurtunatly outrage vs artists painting muhammud wrong is stronger then vs jihadists-) outraged on jihadic actions long before that..!2) Con refused to address violent acts based on shaira. like hanging gay kids & rape victim girl hanging,who's victims are mostly Muslim http://www.asianews.it...
InsertNameHere

Con

First off, the link I provided was for my previous point rather than the one about Iraq so your point is irrelevent. As for the citizens of Iraq being oppressed, this is evident in several sources. Over 100,000 Iraqi citizens have been killed in this unjustified war: http://www.iraqbodycount.org... . As stated in the Qur'an it is permissible to defend your faith against agression and Jihadists are doing exactly that just as Americans continue killing innocents. In reality, both sides are waging "Jihad". My opponent also made points about Shari'a law as it is practiced in Islamic countries. Many of these countries are controlled by corrupted leaders which grossly misinterpret Shari'a law as explained in the Qur'an. More to come next round...
Debate Round No. 4
banker

Pro

Which previous point was the link for? Also since you're back to your original position, and you are now blaming individuals for jihad,instead of admitting Islam's culture of hate,1) how is it logical to blame victims of jihad for jihad? 2) How is the Iraq war a answer on Israel,India,Kashmir,Indonesia,etc. moreover your denying global jihad is typical extremist argument and strategy to make it a local issue and blame the infidels for their action see here http://www.cnn.com... on your argument blaming all countries following sharia law for being corrupt, you support my argument that the best excuse Allah has is having a major communication problem since all following him become corrupt
InsertNameHere

Con

It's perfectly logical to blame individuals for Jihad as these acts of violence contradict the Qur'an as I have proven in one of my earlier arguments. As for other examples such as Israel, those acts of violence are committed in self-defense as Palestinians are suffering under Israeli occupation(http://www.palestinemonitor.org...). As for Shari'a law, these policies are often put into effect by extremists such as the Taliban rather than ordinary Muslims. It's these ordinary people who suffer from the selfish desires of these extremists who twist around Qur'anic teachings, http://www.growley.com... . As stated in the link, even Islamists in Iran aren't supportive of the activities of the Taliban.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by InsertNameHere 6 years ago
InsertNameHere
Wow, ancient debate.
Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
lul
Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
lul
Posted by DylanFromSC 7 years ago
DylanFromSC
Shortest 5 round debate.. Ever.
Posted by Mangani 7 years ago
Mangani
Con on all but Conduct (tie). Pro made no sense at all, can't spell at the fifth grade level, and contradicted himself consistently.
Posted by Rob1Billion 7 years ago
Rob1Billion
I don't know about this one...
Posted by banker 7 years ago
banker
thank you insert i respect your point regardless how far i disagree
Posted by InsertNameHere 7 years ago
InsertNameHere
Well maybe I am. I'm just desperate to win this. Haha.
Posted by Cerebral_Narcissist 7 years ago
Cerebral_Narcissist
Really I think you are trying too hard, your posts are in English and actually make sense, it's in the bag!
Posted by InsertNameHere 7 years ago
InsertNameHere
These character limits are seriously driving me insane. Once again, I couldn't finish my argument!
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