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THBT: Divorce should be legalized in the Philippines

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Started: 12/10/2007 Category: Society
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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zainie143

Pro

My name is zain, in this proposition I am in favor that Divorce in the Philippines must be legalized.

Divorce or dissolution of marriage is the ending of a marriage before the death of either spouse.

Divorce is illegal in the Philippines and the Catholic church would like to see it remain that way, but many citizens appear to be tired of Catholic prelates assuming the authority to dictate civil laws. Thus, a bill that would legalize divorce is moving through the government. BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT ONE OF THE PARAMETERS OF THIS DEBATE IS WE WILL NOT INCLUDE RELIGIOUS CONOTATION.

In this debate, MUSLIMS are not included because under the SHARIAH LAW they can have DIVORCE in the PHILIPPINES.

Divorce mostly comes in, when couples have conflict and they have a problem.Divorce is one of the solution in separating couples, for the Wife and husband can have freedom.

Divorce is better than having conflict in the fight in the family. It is the best solution for the family when having conflicts. Like our neighbor, (this is an evidence) the wife and husband had a conflict between them. But the husband had a power, he hurt the wife so this affects the children. This will not be good for them, so the family decided to be separated. But because they were MUSLIMS they had a divorce. This is an example of having a divorce. This only means that DIVORCE IS A BEST SOLUTION FOR A FAMILY THAT HAVE BEEN IN A CONFLICT.

In divorce, there will be no conflict in the process. In choosing where will the children go, the family and their Lawyers will decide. Not only the child but also the properties. This will be a good solution for them for them not to have quarrel and the children will not be affected.

Divorce

1) n. the termination of a marriage by legal action, requiring a petition or complaint for divorce (or dissolution in some states, including California) by one party. Some states still require at least a minimal showing of fault, but no-fault divorce is now the rule in which "incompatibility" is sufficient to grant a divorce. The substantive issues in divorces are division of property, child custody and support, alimony (spousal support), child visitation and attorney's fees. Only state courts have jurisdiction over divorces, so the petitioning or complaining party can only file in the state in which he/she is and has been a resident for a period of time (as little as six weeks in Nevada). In most states the period from original filing for divorce, serving the petition on the other party and final judgment (or decree) takes several months to allow for a chance to reconcile.

•By definition divorce is a legislatively created, judicially administered process that legally terminates a marriage no longer considered viable by one or both of the spouses. Divorce is also known as dissolution of marriage. Traditionally, divorce was fault based. In other words, there was an "innocent or injured" party and a party that had done "wrong" with the "innocent" party being able to obtain relief or a divorce. This system was adversarial in nature. Even if both parties wanted a divorce, one party had to allege wrongdoing by the other. In the 1970's this system was reformed and a "no fault" system was put in place.

There are advantages to doing your own divorce. You might think the most obvious is the financial savings. Don't be fooled. A poorly structured settlement agreement can be more costly to correct after the fact. Keep in mind that this agreement will:
•Divide your property as well as your debts.
•Decide parenting issues such as custody, visitation, and child support.
•Determine if alimony applies and the amount be paid.


If Children Are Involved:

Divorce in itself is trying enough. If children are involved, it becomes even more trying and extremely emotional. Parents often loose sight of what is in the best interest of their children. Where do the children fit into this whole new life that is being created? Unfortunately, children often become financial pawns in a divorce when child custody issues are being decided.

Children have rights in divorce. Let common sense prevail when it comes to the children. They should not be used as an outlet for anger, nor should they ever be used to get revenge against your spouse. Don't bad-mouth your ex-spouse in front of your kids, even if you are still angry or feuding. Try not to use your kids as a messenger or go-between, especially when you're feuding. Children are egocentric. They think their role in things is much more important than it really is. Because of this, they often feel that they have in some way caused the divorce. Make sure they know it is not their fault. It is also important for kids to know that just because parents divorce each other, they're not divorcing their kids. Some kids think that if their parents are divorcing, it means their moms and dads will want to leave them, too. Remind them often that your love for them is unconditional and will not change because of the divorce.

There are many aspects of divorce that need to be considered including: custody and visitation; financial issues such as alimony and child support, taxes, pensions and insurance; hiring an attorney or mediator; determining if you should do your own divorce; separation agreements and much more.

Alimony - Comprehensive guide to the different types of alimony, including the criteria generally used in the determination and amount of alimony, and tax ramifications.

Child Custody - Reviews the different types of child custody. The emotional (for both child and parent) and financial points of view of a custody battle are also discussed including court ordered professional custody evaluations.

The best solution for having separation is divorce.
Brave_Yankee_87

Con

To start off with first, I noticed that you threw a hit at the Catholic Church and then immediately stated that "ONE OF THE PARAMETERS OF THIS DEBATE IS WE WILL NOT INCLUDE RELIGIOUS CONOTATION". How can you throw a punch and then say "no violence" because this is pretty much what you are saying.

You say that divorce is needed when couples have a conflict and need "freedom". This is not at all what marriage is for. With marriage, mind you, it is a RELIGIOUS CELEBRATION, you vow before everyone there that you will take them "for better or worse, in sickness and in health, and til death do you part". It says until death do you part, not til your first fight gets you angry.

I would say to you that there are certain parameters that would allow for a divorce to be okay. 1. Physical Abuse from one spouse to another. This is definitely a horrible thing. 2. Adultery, i.e. one spouse cheating on the other. These are the only two valid reasons for getting a divorce. Most conflicts that result in divorce here in the United States are ridiculous. Instead of working it out like two mature adults, they act like babies and just want out. This is unacceptable as divorce is often scarring for the children. The family is falling apart and as children, their world is crashing apart.

"Incompatibility" is not a valid reason in getting a divorce. That is why you have a dating period and an engagement period before you get married. Dating can range from several months to several years, and an engagement is usually about 9 months. This is plenty of time to figure out if the two of you are compatible or not. Granted you will not know every aspect about this person in this time, but, you will NEVER know everything about your spouse.

You say it yourself "children become pawns in divorce". Then why do you want to make it legal? Divorce is harmful to the children as you say yourself. You realize this but you believe it should be made legal. How can you justify this? Throughout your entire opening debate, you don't even give good reason for divorce, just "if it doesn't work out". That is not a good enough reason to divorce somebody, if anything that is a cop out.

Divorce is not the best solution for separation, even separation is not the best solution. If a marriage is having difficulty there are plenty of ways you can have it be resolved. First off, you can try to resolve the problem yourselves. Try to find out what you are doing is bothersome to your spouse, and tell your spouse what they do is bothersome to you. If that doesn't work, there are plenty of books out there that talk about the subject. There is also counseling available. There are plenty of ways to resolve a dispute, its just a matter of finding it in your heart to make an effort to go out and fix what was at one time a beautiful relationship.
Debate Round No. 1
zainie143

Pro

Thank you for accepting my debate Mr. Brave Yankee 87. I just want to clarify that in the Philippines Catholic Church doesn't want to have a DIVORCE in the country itself but the "BIG BUT there" is we will not include any RELIGIOUS CONOTATION.

I just also want to clarify that divorce is a solution for a couple if only if there was a conflict and for them to have "FREEDOM". The word freedom their means that the conflict was WORST!. Because CASE IN THE PHILIPPINES were the husband and wife have big problems. And they chose to have separation. And this ITseparation is good for DIVORCE because DIVORCE have agreements such as divide your property as well as your debts, decide parenting issues such as custody, visitation, and child support, determine if alimony applies and the amount be paid etc.
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This was your statement in your first argument : "I would say to you that there are certain parameters that would allow for a divorce to be okay. 1. Physical Abuse from one spouse to another. This is definitely a horrible thing. 2. Adultery, i.e. one spouse cheating on the other. These are the only two valid reasons for getting a divorce." We should consider these in this debate, because the conditions for this debates are when COUPLES have a problem AND HAVE DECIDED TO HAVE SEPARATION. And also the parameters that you have stated above.

You have just misunderstood what is my point. I just want you to know that most cases here in the PHILIPPINES are problem in COUPLES and decided to have separation. E SHOULD CONSIDER THESE CE PHILIPPINES.This is I want you to know that DIVORCE is better for a couple to have separation and not to have conflicts and that may more affect the child compared when there is no DIVORCE.

No!. In divorce, there is an AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO(husband and wife) for the child, properties etc. This will be the job of the lawyers, this will be agreed between the TWO SIDES.

In the Philippines, it is best to have divorce compared to have BIG conflicts that may more affect them and with the child. Will you choose to have BIG PROBLEMS than to have a divorce that you have AGREEMENTS and it is LEGAL and have WRITTEN DOCUMENTS that may serve as an evidence for your AGREEMENTS?????

YOU SHOULD CONSIDER NOW THE PRESENT EVENTS HAPPENING IN PHILIPPINES.

Now lets go to the Constitution of the Philippines:

Under the Presidential Decree 1083, TITLE III:

Article 58. Legitimacy, how established. Legitimacy of filiation is established by evidence of valid marriage between the father and the mother at the time of the conception of the child.

Article 59. Legitimate children.

(1) Children conceived in lawful wedlock shall be presumed to be legitimate. Whoever claims illegitimacy of or impugns such filiation must prove his allegation.

(2) Children born after six months following the consummation of marriage or with two years after the dissolution of the marriage shall be presumed to be legitimate. Against this presumption no evidence shall be admitted other than that of the physical impossibility of access between the parents at or about the time of the conception of the child.

Article 60. Children of subsequent marriage. Should the marriage be dissolved and the wife contracts another marriage after the expiration of her 'IDDA, the child born within six months from the dissolution of the prior marriage shall be presumed to have been conceived during the former marriage, and if born thereafter, during the later.

Article 61. Pregnancy after dissolution. If, after the dissolution of marriage, the wife believes that she is pregnant by her former husband, she shall, within thirty days from the time she became aware of her pregnancy, notify the former husband or his heirs of that fact. The husband or his heirs may ask the court to take measures to prevent a simulation of birth.

Article 62. Rights of legitimate child. A legitimate child shall have the right:

(a) To bear the surnames of the father and of the mother;

(b) To receive support from the father or, in his default, from his heirs in accordance with Articles 65 and 68; and

(c) To share in the legitimate (furud) and other successional rights which this Code recognizes in his favor.

Article 63. Acknowledgment by father. Acknowledgment (igra) of a child by the father shall establish paternity and confer upon each the right inherit from the other exclusively in accordance with Article 94, provided the following conditions are complied with:

(a) The acknowledgment is manifested by the father's acceptance in public that he is the father of the child who does not impugn it; and

(b) The relations does not appear impossible by reason of disparity in age.

Article 64. Adoption. No adoption in any form shall confer upon any person the status and rights of a legitimate child under Muslim law, except that said person may receive a gift (hiba).

Executive Order no. 209, Most of the titles will be discussed in the agreements of the TWO SIDES.

TITLE I

MARRIAGE

Chapter 1. Requisites of Marriage( ranging from Article 1-26)

Chapter 2. Marriages Exempted from License Requirement( ranging from Article 27-34
)
Chapter 3. Void and Voidable Marriages( ranging from Artcile 35-54)

TITLE III

RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE(ranging from Article 68-73)

TITLE IV

PROPERTY RELATIONS BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE

Chapter 1. General Provisions(ranging from Article 74-81)

Chapter 2. Donations by Reason of Marriage(ranging from Article 82-87)

Chapter 3. System of Absolute Community(ranging from Article 88-148)

TITLE V

THE FAMILY

Chapter 1. The Family as an Institution(ranging from Article 149-162)

These Laws, will be discussed and the lawyers will be explaining if what will happen to them if they have decided to divorce..what are the consequences that will they face..and the AGREEMENTS as well as is under these LAWS. That may lead to a peaceful way in separating.

We should consider the "avoidance of adultery and concubinage and we should consider the EVENTS occuring now in the PHILIPPINES. And look How marriage survive facing the problems(HEAVY)??.thus, it must be legalized in the Philippines.(TO LESSEN CONTROVERSIES)

Also, for the people in the Philippines may choose if what will they do???..DIVORCE?..if they have HEAVY PROBLEM(mostly occuring now a days)

I strongly believe that DIVORCE IN THE PHILIPPINES SHOULD BE LEGALIZED.
Brave_Yankee_87

Con

I don't think that you are understand what I am trying to say. Why can the couple not talk it out? I've pointed out numerous examples of how a couple can resolve an arguement. Absolutely nothing can break a marriage vow. A divorce can not break a marriage vow, it is that simple. As I said before, when you get married you are making an agreement before God, and all of those attending, that you will stay with this person TIL DEATH DO YOU PART.

To legalize divorce would allow for the decay of the family. It has happened in America, it WILL happen if you legalize divorce. By creating "no-fault" divorce, you are essentially getting rid of the sacred vows of marriage. When you and your wife engage in the act of love, both of your souls fuse together. A divorce would try to remove this fusion, which can not be broken. The only way that this can be broken is the death of one or another.

You can not divide children. How can that be? Because people can not be divided. Children are extremely fragile and they can feel as if they are at fault. When the mother and father get divorce, the children are FORCED to pick which parent they want to be with, which as we all know, one of the parents is going to be hurt painfully. You can not do this. Divorce is painful for everybody and to allow it for non-life threatening reasons is disgusting.

Part of a marriage is to work whatever problems you have out with your spouse. Your spouse is your best friend, well, hopefully they are. I don't know about you, but when I get into a fight with my best friends, I want to work it out, because their friendship is important to me. To just disregard everything we've done over a fight is ridiculous, or at least it should be. However, we live in a world where people are becoming selfish, and they only care about themselves and not about others. I would hope that you would want to work everything out with your friend, otherwise, what kind of friend are you?

The same applies with marriage, if something is wrong, you work it out. You said you would be with this person for better or for worse, and right now its for worse, so you would be a liar if you were to seek a divorce. The only valid divorce is if your life is in danger.

To divide money up, that is ridiculous. If both spouses are working, then they should not "split up" the money, they can support themselves, and lawyers do not care about both parties, they just want as much money as they can get their hands on.
Debate Round No. 2
zainie143

Pro

You know MR. BRAVE YANKEE 87 we are not talking about PEOPLE or what we call DIVORCE in AMERICA!, Situations in AMERICA are REALLY DIFFERENT in the PHILIPPINES and PEOPLE in the PHILIPPINES are really different in AMERICA. CULTURE in the PHILIPPINES are also REALLY DIFFERENT COMPARED to AMERICA and PROBLEMS about FAMILY in the PHILIPPINES are REALLY different COMPARED to AMERICA. CONSTITUTION or THE LAWS are really DIFFERENT IN THE PHILIPPINES COMPARED to AMERICA.

"WHY ARE YOU GIVING EXAMPLES or SITUATIONS IN AMERICA????" in fact this DEBATE FOCUSES in the PHILIPPINES.

I DID UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENTS Mr. BRAVE Yankee 87. BUT YOU YOURSELF!!!..did not understand if what I am explaining to you. I am explaining to you SITUATIONS OF THE PHILIPPINES not IN AMERICA. DIVORCE is just a CHOICE for a FAMILY if they have VERY VERY VERY BIG PROBLEMS....and THIS is HAPPENING in the PHILIPPINES..

AGAIN BIG PROBLEMS ARE OCCURING NOW IN THE PHILIPPINES Mr. Brave Yankee 87. So, BIG PROBLEMS is HARD TO SOLVE Mr. Brave Yankee 87. If they talk with each other(HUSBAND AND WIFE) this may lead to KILLING because of the HATRED in their HEARTS. BUT IF THEY HAVE CHOICES " the DIVORCE " this will not lead to KILLINGS
if DIVORCE WILL BE LEGALIZED IN THE PHILIPPINES. So, I strongly BELIEVE that DIVORCE SHOULD BE LEGALIZED in the PHILIPPINES Mr. Brave Yankee 87.

We can't divide the CHILD in physical by dividing it half. We can have AGREEMENT if where they( HUSBAND, WIFE and LAWYERS) will give the child either to the MOTHER or FATHER, or BY VISITING. So, if DIVORCE WILL BE LEGALIZED, they cannot do anything because IT IS LEGAL AND THEY HAVE AGREED!!!..So it is better to LEGALIZED DIVORCE IN THE PHILIPPINES.

They will be having AGREEMENTS, and THESE agreement is the GOOD FOR THE FAMILY, THEY WILL BE DECIDING FOR THE GOOD of the either sides,so it will not be PAINFUL TO THE EITHER SIDE. This will be the work of the LAWYERS.

"If only your life is in danger" as you've said in your 2nd argument. So this is one of the REASON to LEGALIZED DIVORCE in the PHILIPPINES. So we should legalize it because if that will be the case and there is no divorce this may harm you. So we Should legalize it in the PHILIPPINES. BUT this is not only the reason, DIVORCE is only a CHOICE for a family if they want it to have or not, VERY VERY BIG PROBLEMS is also one of the reasons, etc. I am not saying that if A FAMILY will have a problem, they will APPLY A DIVORCE rapidly. I am telling to you that DIVORCE IS ONE OF THE CHOICES FOR BEST SOLUTIONS, if they may have a PROBLEM and in the PHILIPPINES most of the cases, they HAVE BIG BIG PROBLEMS and they want to DIVORCE but they can't because it is not LEGALIZED, so DIVORCE again SHOULD BE LEGALIZED IN THE PHILIPPINES.

If a PROBLEM occured, and have DIVORCE this may Divide your property as well as your debts, Decide parenting issues such as custody, visitation, and child support, and Determine if alimony applies and the amount be paid. I am telling to you the debts, and the MONEY. IF they will split up, they will only have responsibilities in the CHILD and themselves. So this is an ADVANTAGE, less EXPENSES for them.

There will be no CONFLICT if they will have a divorce, because all of the laws stated as follows;

Under the Presidential Decree 1083, TITLE III:

Article 58. Legitimacy, how established. Legitimacy of filiation is established by evidence of valid marriage between the father and the mother at the time of the conception of the child.

Article 59. Legitimate children.

(1) Children conceived in lawful wedlock shall be presumed to be legitimate. Whoever claims illegitimacy of or impugns such filiation must prove his allegation.

(2) Children born after six months following the consummation of marriage or with two years after the dissolution of the marriage shall be presumed to be legitimate. Against this presumption no evidence shall be admitted other than that of the physical impossibility of access between the parents at or about the time of the conception of the child.

Article 60. Children of subsequent marriage. Should the marriage be dissolved and the wife contracts another marriage after the expiration of her 'IDDA, the child born within six months from the dissolution of the prior marriage shall be presumed to have been conceived during the former marriage, and if born thereafter, during the later.

Article 61. Pregnancy after dissolution. If, after the dissolution of marriage, the wife believes that she is pregnant by her former husband, she shall, within thirty days from the time she became aware of her pregnancy, notify the former husband or his heirs of that fact. The husband or his heirs may ask the court to take measures to prevent a simulation of birth.

Article 62. Rights of legitimate child. A legitimate child shall have the right:

(a) To bear the surnames of the father and of the mother;

(b) To receive support from the father or, in his default, from his heirs in accordance with Articles 65 and 68; and

(c) To share in the legitimate (furud) and other successional rights which this Code recognizes in his favor.

Article 63. Acknowledgment by father. Acknowledgment (igra) of a child by the father shall establish paternity and confer upon each the right inherit from the other exclusively in accordance with Article 94, provided the following conditions are complied with:

(a) The acknowledgment is manifested by the father's acceptance in public that he is the father of the child who does not impugn it; and

(b) The relations does not appear impossible by reason of disparity in age.

Article 64. Adoption. No adoption in any form shall confer upon any person the status and rights of a legitimate child under Muslim law, except that said person may receive a gift (hiba).

Executive Order no. 209, Most of the titles will be discussed in the agreements of the TWO SIDES.

TITLE I

MARRIAGE

Chapter 1. Requisites of Marriage( ranging from Article 1-26)

Chapter 2. Marriages Exempted from License Requirement( ranging from Article 27-34
)
Chapter 3. Void and Voidable Marriages( ranging from Artcile 35-54)

TITLE III

RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE(ranging from Article 68-73)

TITLE IV

PROPERTY RELATIONS BETWEEN HUSBAND AND WIFE

Chapter 1. General Provisions(ranging from Article 74-81)

Chapter 2. Donations by Reason of Marriage(ranging from Article 82-87)

Chapter 3. System of Absolute Community(ranging from Article 88-148)

TITLE V

THE FAMILY

Chapter 1. The Family as an Institution(ranging from Article 149-162)

" PLEASE READ THESE LAWS FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND!!! Mr. Brave Yankee 87"
Will serve as BASIS for HAVING ""NO CONFLICT DIVORCE". and these laws will be also under in the AGREEMENT of the DIVORCE. Purpose of the LAWYERS is to HAVE PEACEFUL, " NO CONFLICT", and NOT to HURT FEELINGS OF THE BOTH SIDES. They are paid because of what they did, and THEY ARE LEGAL!!!!!

You know Mr. Brave Yankee 87, Do you know what is a PARAMETER??????...

As, Mr. JEMUAL said : "Parameter is a extent wherein you are not or only allowed to debate. The exclusions of the parameters are not to be discussed and it will be the job of the government side(pro) to give out parameters."

ME, MYSELF and I have the RIGHTS to GIVE PARAMETERS for the DEBATE, and I DID NOT INCLUDE ANY RELIGIOUS CONOTATIONS. You can't include religious conotations because of the PARAMETER Mr. Brave Yankee 87. And also I am in the GOVERNMENT SIDE or what we call "pro" and I gave the PARAMETERS and IT IS VERY CLEAR FOR YOU.

And Mr. Brave yankee 87, FOCUS THE SITUATIONS happening IN THE PHILIPPINES NOT IN THE AMERICA.

" I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT DIVORCE SHOULD BE LEGALIZED IN THE PHILIPPINES "

With that, I end my speech.

Thank you.
Brave_Yankee_87

Con

Brave_Yankee_87 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by zainie143 6 years ago
zainie143
i think you can put your last argument here in the comment,,,

for me to know if what is your idea for the last ROUND,,

thank you,.,
Posted by griffinisright 6 years ago
griffinisright
I like your argument, Brave_Yankee_87 just make sure you don't miss your debates... that hurt you a lot. Other than that good job!
Posted by Brave_Yankee_87 6 years ago
Brave_Yankee_87
Yeah, I have been busy. School just got out and I have been working and such. I was planning on posting on my friends computer, but he doesn't have internet, so I unfortunately had to forfeit.
Posted by zainie143 6 years ago
zainie143
it was sad that you have forfeited at the last round...i think you are busy..are you?
Posted by zainie143 6 years ago
zainie143
i didn't attack any RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, I have just CLARIFY TO YOU that Catholic Church is against in DIVORCE in the Philippines. So, I made the parameters that "WE WILL NOT INCLUDE any religious conotations"

And I hope that you've read the Constitution of the Philippines that i have mentioned above.

Because you didn't understand the Constitution of the Philippines.

Thank you.
Posted by Brave_Yankee_87 6 years ago
Brave_Yankee_87
Jemual, in order to get married, I'm pretty sure you must go to a Church, which last I checked WAS a religious organization. Now, yes, you mustn't include religion in your debates as long as it isn't a religious debate, but the thing you must realize is that marriage has always been religious AND your friend Zainie attacked the Catholic Church, another religious organization. You can't make a broad attack and then say that you don't want to discuss anything religious, that my friend is hypocrisy.
Posted by zainie143 6 years ago
zainie143
In my 2nd argument,, it was WE SHOULD CONSIDER THESE CASES IN THE PHILIPPINES. We should look more in the Constitution of the Philippines, FOR US TO UNDERSTAND IF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE DIVORCE, """"AGREEMENTS DECIDED"""".

Thank you,
Posted by jemual 6 years ago
jemual
Ughmmm...mr Brva Yankee, I would like to explain why mr. zain said that the parameter of the debate is that "we will not include religious conotations"

Parameter is a extent wherein you are not or only allowed to debate. The exclusions of the parameters are not to be discussed and it will be the job of the goverment side(pro) to give out parameters.

He said that religious conotations will not be included because in a debate, no religious affiliations and religion are not allowed in a debate because it is hard to defend. As a student in a debate class, we are taught not to use religion in our propositions.

Uhmm..Mr. Brave you cannot say that they are babies because you are not in their situation. they are on real hiatus. You can't tell that they must solve their problems by themselves because when they fight they really get wild and increase their pride. They use their heavy emotions on the problem.

The proposition is said to be in the Philippines not in U.S. so, the points or issues must not come from any other aspects.

To Mr. Zain, Your points were good and your parameters are considerable

BUT..

Children will have a heavier trauma because the effect of separated parents are quite difficult to handle. 30% of the children that had family separation tend to be lonely and makes things like what you call self pitying.

So far, Good debaters, keep the good job...
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