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the UK could vote for wether scotland can have independence

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Started: 1/16/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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URinvalid9098

Pro

Scotland has been part of the UK for over 300 years now and they now ant independnce, i am 100% with them that they should have independence, but what i am against is that only scotland can have the vote. over 7000 people live in scotland and if only those 7000 (saying at least most of them actualy wanting independence) had the vote, well its kinda obvious what would happen next.
Now yes there are more poeple in the uk than scotland. But picture this, In america in 2009 the three candidates for the title of the president of the united states of america were barrack obama, hillary cliton and i think the other one was jhon macain (im not to sure im not american), now say that the only the people who supported hillary clinton were alowed to vote, this ladies and gentleman, is very simualar.

i cant wait to here what my opponent has to say about this, i wish him or her the very best of luck for this argument and others to come.

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Con

As a Scottish person I oppose this motion. I will first rebut this strange little story that pro has brought to you. Assuming that Pro is suggesting that with only Scottish people voting in this referendum we are only capable of supporting one view. What actually happens is that we are able to view the points made by David Cameron and Ed Milliband in England to oppose Scottish independence and the points made by Alex Salmond to support independence then measure the pros and cons to make a decision for ourselves.
My main point is very simple: Why should the English, Welsh, Irish be involved in voting on how the Scottish people should be governed.
The Scottish people live in Scotland. We have a right to decide how we want to be governed. We listen to what recommendations are coming from England but ultimately we have to decide for ourselves. The English are not going to be that greatly affected by Scottish independence in terms of politics. The Scottish however are fully affected by it naturally and will be the ones who have to live with the effects of independence whether they are good or bad.
My own analogy is a polamory relationship in which one persons decides they want to leave relationship. They listen to all the points raised by the other people in the relationship and want to decide for themselves, as is their right. The other people in that relationship decide that this is unfair and call a vote involving all those involved in the relationship. If a person wants to leave a relationship they should be allowed to do so.
The latest polls (metro Monday) suggest that actually more English people want Scottish independence than the Scots do. So if we were to go ahead with Pro's plan then the Scottish would be forced out of a relationship and into a struggling independence that they themselves voted against.
The views of the rest of the UK should not be forgotten but they should not be involved in the election that will ultimately decide on Scotland's fate as a country. That is up to the Scottish people and the Scottish people alone.
Thank you and I await further arguments from Pro.
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Debate Round No. 1
URinvalid9098

Pro

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Fluer

Con

This is very annoying.
Just extend my arguments.
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Debate Round No. 2
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Fluer

Con

This is sad.
Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by RoyLatham 5 years ago
RoyLatham
I don't know what the issue is for this debate. It would be helpful to describe the general background. The population of Scotland is 5.2 million and the U.K. as a whole 62 million. The argument needs capital letters and paragraphing to be more readable.
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