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greatman777
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Ragnar
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23 Points

the bible is a load of crap

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Ragnar
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/30/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,012 times Debate No: 44911
Debate Rounds (5)
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greatman777

Pro

I prefer to go on the defensive. Arguments may start immediately.
Ragnar

Con

Key Definition:
Merriam-Webster dictionary is widely accepted, and defines the following...
  • Crap is the same as Defecate, "to discharge from the anus" [1].
If the spirit of this definition is not suitable, please provide a different one.

Argument:
The Bible has many shortcomings, however it has at least enough merit to be better than discharge from the anus. Consider the inspired words of of a wise man:
  • "I am in Birmingham [jail] because injustice is here. Just as the prophets of the eighth century B.C. left their villages and carried their 'thus saith the Lord' far beyond the boundaries of their home towns, and just as the Apostle Paul left his village of Tarsus and carried the gospel of Jesus Christ to the far corners of the Greco Roman world, so am I compelled to carry the gospel of freedom beyond my own home town. Like Paul, I must constantly respond to the Macedonian call for aid." -Martin Luther King, Jr. 1963 [2].
The ethics it can be used to teach are often valid, and so is the work of religious men like Martin Luther King, Jr.. Other Christians have done great things, such as Georges Lemaître (a catholic priest) contributing the controversial Big Bang Theory to science (which many anti-religious scientists mocked heavily) [3].

This is not to say all things from the Bible are good, merely that is worth better than accusations of of being a complete "load of crap."

Sources:
[1] http://www.merriam-webster.com...
[2] http://www.africa.upenn.edu...
[3] http://www.catholiceducation.org...
Debate Round No. 1
greatman777

Pro

greatman777 forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

There are of course other meanings of crap to consider (all shall be taken from Merriam-Webster), such as nonsense: "words or language having no meaning or conveying no intelligible ideas."
This definition also leads to rejection of the resolution, as there Plenty of intelligible ideas are present in the books of the bible; such as a guy named Jesus who was great at food rationing, a few accounts of family lines, even some pretty cool stuff about diseases.

Another is rubbish: "things that are no longer useful or wanted and that have been thrown out."
Also rejection, as moral lessons of it continue to greatly impact society which was demonstrated last round (not even going into the number of people who still want it).
Debate Round No. 2
greatman777

Pro

greatman777 forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

It could also be accused of being a collection of fairytales, but fairytales themselves have not been defined as being without value. Doubly so for ones that have shaped so much of culture and ethics.
Debate Round No. 3
greatman777

Pro

greatman777 forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

Extend all arguments.
Debate Round No. 4
greatman777

Pro

greatman777 forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

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CONDUCT: Con, due to forfeited rounds. OR a protest vote (of conduct only) for pro, on the basis of how offensive con's language was; making a mockery of an otherwise good debate (possibly contributing to pro going MIA).
S&G (Spelling and Grammar): Tied. Neither side had a failing in language bad enough to distract significantly from the arguments.
ARGUMENT: Tied by default (if just skimming and seeing a bunch of rounds forfeited, there is no justification to award the argument points; conduct is plenty for such cases). OR con, due to refuting pro's claims and advancing ideas beyond such which then went unchallenged.
SOURCES: Tied. While con did better on this, and those went unchallenged; it was only better by a small margin, too small in fact for it to bare weight on the argument decision.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by NatetheGreat365 3 years ago
NatetheGreat365
I just really love the title of this debate. It made me laugh.
Posted by 002682 3 years ago
002682
I'll argue that the bible is a load of crap for the sake of the debate.
Posted by Krazzy_Player 3 years ago
Krazzy_Player
I wasn't talking about the conduct, just said it would have looked better.
Posted by Ragnar 3 years ago
Ragnar
Than vote against me on conduct.
Posted by Krazzy_Player 3 years ago
Krazzy_Player
@ Ragnar, you could have used your opening definitions as you stated as stated in Round 2, Even this debate title itself is some what insulting , nonsense or anything else was more suitable, your opening definitions was even more insulting than the debate topic.
Posted by Ragnar 3 years ago
Ragnar
Oh I have nothing against any other definition, including ones related to intellectual substance... But for an opening round to set a tone, it suits me well to give the audience something to giggle over.
Posted by dtaylor971 3 years ago
dtaylor971
...You took it too literally LMFAO
Posted by Ragnar 3 years ago
Ragnar
Sorry for the delay, school work has kept me busy. I should be posting my opening round tonight.
Posted by greatman777 3 years ago
greatman777
Go ahead. i don't take anything personally and i posted it cuz i want to debate about it and i think i have some really good points. and i won't be disrespectful either.
Posted by Ragnar 3 years ago
Ragnar
Tempted to take this, but I try not to noob stump.
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Vote Placed by lit.wakefield 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: The bible is not fecal matter. Bravo Con. Conduct to Con because Pro forfeited. Sources to Con for being the only one to use reliable sources.
Vote Placed by Actionsspeak 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Clever argument Con.
Vote Placed by Krazzy_Player 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: No contest due to full forfeit by Pro.
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Reasons for voting decision: I just found out Ragner is an atheist. How Ironic. lol
Vote Placed by donald.keller 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Much forfeit, Such conduct, Very lose, Wow.