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the catholic church has never contradicted itself, from an official capacity

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Started: 6/26/2013 Category: Religion
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dairygirl4u2c

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in this debate, i am not counting the issues of limbo, or "no salvation outside the catholic church".

you would think if the catholic church were not true, that it would have contradicted itself at some point in two thousand years.

the only things that count are statements that are authoritative, things that could be considerted "infallible". the pope, intentionally, teaches, the church, on faith and morals. that is the criteria. it includes many councils and other statements by popes.

note:

-this does not include moral corruption, only official teaching. that means you can't use bad priest, even peodofile priests. it means you can't use the inquisistion where millions were killed by catholics. can't use the sins of past popes. it has to be actual teachings of the church, as said, councils and statements by popes. etc. impeccable v infallble, there's a difference.
-since we are comparing official statements, id rather not use the bible either. it's usually too open to interpretation to begin with. we are examining the church's consistency on its own anyway... and you'd think even beyond the bible, it'd have contradicted itself within two thousand years.
-also there's a differnce between widespread belief and doctrine. that so many believed the earth was made in six days, that the earth was flat, that man wasn't from apes etc... only shows they are human. it'd make sense at first impression. this isn't doctrine. you have to cite a quote or citation.
-there's a difference between practice and doctrine too... preistly celibacy is practice, reading the mass in latin is a practice... etc

also try not to be vague. so many claims of contradiction online are superficial. for example, "papal bull regarding jews", without getting into what exactly is contradicting what etc. if possible, find the quote or citation for what you are referring to.

also I have debated this topic many times in the past, if you would like you may review my profile to see all the points brought up by past debaters etc
Melodrama

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The Catholic Church changes its stance on meat on Fridays twice in a row: http://www.dailymail.co.uk.... First meat was not ok on Fridays, then they decided that it was ok, and now they have decided that it is not ok. They contradicted their teachings twice.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

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id say eating meat or not is more of a practice. is it more like whether the mass is in latin or english, which is obviously a practice, or is it more like a doctrine?
eating meat or not just does not seem like doctrine to me. more like what language the mass is in.
Melodrama

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dairygirl4u2c

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Melodrama

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