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the catholic church has never contradicted itself, from an official capacity

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Started: 11/14/2013 Category: Religion
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dairygirl4u2c

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in this debate, i am not counting the issues of limbo, or "no salvation outside the catholic church". i have reasons not to list here for excluding them.

you would think if the catholic church were not true, that it would have contradicted itself at some point in two thousand years.

the only things that count are statements that are authoritative, things that could be considerted "infallible". the pope, intentionally, teaches, the church, on faith and morals. that is the criteria. it includes many councils and other statements by popes.

note:

-this does not include moral corruption, only official teaching. that means you can't use bad priest, even peodofile priests. it means you can't use the inquisistion where millions were killed by catholics. can't use the sins of past popes. it has to be actual teachings of the church, as said, councils and statements by popes. etc. impeccable v infallble, there's a difference.
-since we are comparing official statements, id rather not use the bible either. it's usually too open to interpretation to begin with. we are examining the church's consistency on its own anyway... and you'd think even beyond the bible, it'd have contradicted itself within two thousand years.
-also there's a differnce between widespread belief and doctrine. that so many believed the earth was made in six days, that the earth was flat, that man wasn't from apes etc... only shows they are human. it'd make sense at first impression. this isn't doctrine. you have to cite a quote or citation.
-there's a difference between practice and doctrine too... preistly celibacy is practice, reading the mass in latin is a practice... etc

also try not to be vague. so many claims of contradiction online are superficial. for example, "papal bull regarding jews", without getting into what exactly is contradicting what etc. if possible, find the quote or citation for what you are referring to.

also I have debated this topic many times in the past, if you would like you may review my profile to see all the points brought up by past debaters etc
IrishBlackfoot

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The church has been in exsitant for many years, even tho the people may think that the church is in the wrong. The church services are not held in Latin for many reasons one being most dont know it.
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Posted by henryajevans 3 years ago
henryajevans
When you say they are only human, isn't that a direct contradiction of being God's representative on Earth.
Posted by Emily77 3 years ago
Emily77
I'd love to accept this debate, but your definition of usable evidence and/or criteria makes it virtually impossible to actually include evidence of any kind because basically all of what are considered to be 'official doctrine or personnel' have been corrupted in one way or another. You will have to get much more specific on what you mean by this.
Posted by WriterSelbe 3 years ago
WriterSelbe
It definitely has. All you have to do is look to Pope John Paul II's changing of Church canon so that evolution does not contradict the Catholic Church, essentially contradicting Church teaching.
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