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Nerd_in_a_Trenchcoat
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the catholic church has never contradicted itself, from an official capacity

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/18/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

in this debate, i am not counting the issues of limbo, or "no salvation outside the catholic church". i have reasons not to list here for excluding them.

you would think if the catholic church were not true, that it would have contradicted itself at some point in two thousand years.

the only things that count are statements that are authoritative, things that could be considerted "infallible". the pope, intentionally, teaches, the church, on faith and morals. that is the criteria. it includes many councils and other statements by popes.

note:

-this does not include moral corruption, only official teaching. that means you can't use bad priest, even peodofile priests. it means you can't use the inquisistion where millions were killed by catholics. can't use the sins of past popes. it has to be actual teachings of the church, as said, councils and statements by popes. etc. impeccable v infallble, there's a difference.
-since we are comparing official statements, id rather not use the bible either. it's usually too open to interpretation to begin with. we are examining the church's consistency on its own anyway... and you'd think even beyond the bible, it'd have contradicted itself within two thousand years.
-also there's a differnce between widespread belief and doctrine. that so many believed the earth was made in six days, that the earth was flat, that man wasn't from apes etc... only shows they are human. it'd make sense at first impression. this isn't doctrine. you have to cite a quote or citation.
-there's a difference between practice and doctrine too... preistly celibacy is practice, reading the mass in latin is a practice... etc

also try not to be vague. so many claims of contradiction online are superficial. for example, "papal bull regarding jews", without getting into what exactly is contradicting what etc. if possible, find the quote or citation for what you are referring to.

also I have debated this topic many times in the past, if you would like you may review my profile to see all the points brought up by past debaters etc
Nerd_in_a_Trenchcoat

Con

contradiction
noun
a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.
"the proposed new system suffers from a set of internal contradictions"

I understand that you are claiming that the Catholic Church has never contradicted itself. My role is therefore to provide proof, by direct quotation, that the church has contradicted itself from an official standpoint. My example shall be the Church's views on contraception.

As far back as anyone can remember, the Catholic Church has been opposed to all forms of birth control. It has made its position known to anybody who wishes to hear it, and everybody else who doesn't. Catholics believe that sex is only there to make babies, and if you don't make babies, you're a sinner. STDs were thought of as sinful illnesses, and condoms were considered to be tools of evil. To quote Pope John Paul II,
"it seems profoundly damaging to the dignity of the human being, and for this reason morally illicit, to support a prevention of AIDS that is based on a recourse to means and remedies that violate an authentically human sense of sexuality, and which are a palliative to the deeper suffering which involve the responsibility of individuals and of society."

And now a quote from Pope Benedict:
"She [the Catholic Church] of course does not regard it as a real or moral solution, but, in this or that case, there can be nonetheless, in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more human way, of living sexuality."

The above quotes shows direct, irrefutable contradiction.
Sources:
1. http://www.dw.de...
2. http://news.bbc.co.uk...
3. http://www.washingtonpost.com...
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

dairygirl4u2c forfeited this round.
Nerd_in_a_Trenchcoat

Con

I guess I shouldn't be surprised. But really, you can post something. Anything.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

dairygirl4u2c forfeited this round.
Nerd_in_a_Trenchcoat

Con

Let's get ready do forfeeeeeeeeiiiiiiit!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Nerd_in_a_Trenchcoat 3 years ago
Nerd_in_a_Trenchcoat
Indeed! I think She's just sitting there, hoping and praying for somebody to make an illogical argument. Then she'll pounce.
Posted by Bullish 3 years ago
Bullish
She starts these debates every other week then proceeds to F.F. all of them..

That takes dedication.
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