the christian trinity is an illogical idea
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consider: the son is God, the father is GOd, but the son is not the father and they are not separate Gods.
that's like saying
five plus one equals six. two plus four equals six. but five plus one does NOT equal two plus four.
God's physical form was as Jesus Christ "the son". His 'true form' was raw invisible power with none of the human 5 senses being able to detect or appreciate it so the power transformed into a human but had to do so by beginning as a baby and growing itself up to adulthood before people would listen so he uses his powers to alter Mary's egg and have a baby with her without needing sex because he's all powerful and can bypass it (he invented the need for sex after all).
When his human form dies, he has to come back to finalize the message and leave a true impact in the people's minds to understand his power was not fake or imagined but very supernatural and very real (the holy ghost form). These two forms of him are nothing compared to the third invisible untouchable form that is the 'father' form as the name suggest it is the alpha and superior form.
According to Pro, if a person has split personality disorder or the ability to change forms physically but not mentally both of these mean that the individual themselves cannot be constant whilst the variables are altered into their distinct forms.
This is very untrue.
Think of it like ice, vapor and liquid water. It's still H2O but there are distinct forms of it.
If you read this link: http://www.everystudent.com... will see how the 'spirit' or 'core force' of god is singular but because it exists outside of reality and is not restrained by our dimensions and rules, it can take 3 forms with ease while maintaining itself as a constant amongst all 3.
I conclude that the trinity is logical as long as god itself is considered logical.
con says it can be understood with teh water anaology but hten has to resort to extra dimensions and such to explain it. we can't describe extra dimensions anyway because it is beyond us to graph.
in any rate, con's arguments have been tried and found heretical. modalism aka
con just says with his beginning remarks, hte split personality remarks, and the water remarks, that the 'person' is always the same, they just change form or modes. this runs afoul of the fact that each person has to be a distinct idenity. a betteranalogy would be that there is one constant of liquid but each substance is different, water, mercury etc. but this even fails cause they are not suppose to be constant of liquid, it's just changing modes.
if we looked at it like math.... five plus one is six, four plus two is six. the truth is they both equal six and thus equal each other, but the trinity is like saying five plus one does NOT equal four plus two. con is saying that because they are all six, but look different cause of different number combinations, that this makes it okay, an apt comparison. but it doesn't cause fou plus two is just a different mode than five plus one.... but they are both six and equal each other.
Pro has yet to offer a single point of substance to meet their own burden of proof. As for their rebuttals to me, they are nonsensical at best.
I explained that the same body can have varying personalities/identities while still being a constant amongst all 3. I also explained how altering the form of something doesn't mean that the essence of what that thing is has to change.
Neither has been countered by Pro and their Wikipedia link doesn't prove anything other than my very own case. Yes, that's right, their source supports my case.
I never said that 2 + 4 =/= 5 + 1 and Pro has yet to explain how this analogy is a valid display of what I am stating,
In actual fact it is Pro who is stating that since 2+4(holy ghost) is not the same in appearance as 5+1(Jesus) they cannot represent the same thing (6/god).
con doesn't understand that it's not just me, it's history that condemns his views. maybe con doesn't understand logic.
the three entities are distinct. that means they can't just be the same person in a differnt personality, or mode. they are distinctly different, yet they are the same according to christian theology. that is a blatantly on its face illogical statement.
Heard of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde[http://www.sparknotes.com...] or maybe Dissociative Identity Disorder?[http://www.webmd.com...]
I guess not.
Point is, things can alter form or parts of themselves while having the basic essence of what they are maintained as a constant between them.
Pro had full burden of proof and has yet to supply anything substantial in support of the resolution let alone to disprove my own case against it.
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Vote Placed by tajshar2k 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro failed to prove basically anything. He supposed argues that it's an illogical idea, but failed to present any sort of proof.
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