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dairygirl4u2c
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ItsGametime805
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the idea of a runaway welfare state is a myth

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Started: 8/31/2017 Category: Politics
Updated: 4 months ago Status: Debating Period
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

the idea of a runaway welfare state is a myth

only ten to a little more percent of federal spending is on programs for the poor. our spending is a somewhat arbitrary intake of our economic output.... if you measure it according to GDP, poor people spending is like two or three percent of GDP.

the only thing a person in the usa can be sure of, if he's not disabled, is food and education, with a very small minority getting housing assistance. anything else comes from the states and most states dont add much. for example, you may or may not be in a state that expanded subsidizing healthcare to poor people under obama, and it's not really a tangible benefit. if you're lucky enough to get cash benefits, it's usually only if you have kids, limits to just a few years, and you have to work unpaid as if you have a job anyway.

like ninety percent of spending is on social security, medicare, defense, and interest on the debt. this stuff is designed for helping everyone, not just poor people.
ItsGametime805

Con

I dont think you understand the idea of what the Welfare state in America totally encompasses. The welfare state also does include Medicaid, Medicare, Obamacare, Unemployment, etc. We spend approximately 1.1 trillion a year on social networks designed to "serve the unfortunate and poor". The more we increase this the more we increase the welfare state and make people dependent.

Let's first put together what poverty is in the United States. To be defined as in "poverty", you have to make no more than 24,008 dollars for a family of 4, and you can own a television, coffee maker, car and more. This idea of poverty is nothing compared to other nations, but thats not what this argument is for. Welfare and such should only be used as a springboard to head into a job or being on their own. Obamacare is a complete flop for the good of everybody, especially in California where premiums will raise by 27% for people here. We need less of a welfare state and more freer for the people, cause frankly I dont want to pay higher taxes for other people. I understand the need of basic medicaid for elderly people and social security for people who actually can't work. what would ultimately work better is if Obamacare was replaced with more barebones plans, emergency or disastrous plans with pre existing conditions, but nothing mroe, it woud reduce costs for all people and would provide more care.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

this site breaks down where your number of about a trillion comes from

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

that site doesn't consider medicaid welfare, but i would. so the things that are welfare, is less than half your trillion number. the federal government spends four trillion a year, and all the states spend another trillion. that means what is really considered welfare amounts to only ten percent of all government spending. that's not runaway welfare.

everything else you argue is mostly expamples of poor and inefficient government, not run away welfare. you list some examples of wasteful welfare, but it's a stretch to translate that to runaway welfare.
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Posted by What50 4 months ago
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Could you define what a runaway welfare state is?
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