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afsheenfatima
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MochaShakaKhan
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the riches rule over the law

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MochaShakaKhan
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/17/2012 Category: Society
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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afsheenfatima

Pro

There have always been a different law for 'haves' and 'have not'. Rich as being the 'haves' and the poor as being the 'have not'. This discrimination leads to a society in which the poor are severely punished for their low riches and the rich enjoy the custody of law in their hands. The poor are thrown into jails for a minor crime. On the other hand the rich are not punished even for the biggest crime. In that way a rule of jungle is observed in the country where only the fittest (the rich) can survive. This sorry state of affairs prevail in every department of the society. The poor are marginalized by the rich forces and every rule and law is established for the
privilege of the rich class. The 'haves' determine the fate of the have not.
MochaShakaKhan

Con

I accept this debate. My opponent has said quite a bit about the rich having greater legal advantages than the poor, but he hasn't actually shown this to be so.

The thing we have to keep in mind is that the majority of "rich" crimes are non-violent crimes, known as "white collar" crimes [1]. We could argue over whether or not white collar crimes are actually any less bad than violent crimes, but regardless we live in a society that views violent crimes as worse than crimes used to evade taxes or something along those lines, and this view applies to everyone. If rich people started robbing liquor stores, they too would be in maximum security prisons rather than getting off easy.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 1
afsheenfatima

Pro

my opponent has clearly talked about 'white collar' crimes which in my view are the sources of violent crimes. The rich with their power of money start to change the established norms and laws and ultimately distort and deform the shape of legal laws as well. And there comes two laws in society, one for the poor the other for the rich. The act of theft by the rich is legalized because a rich needs not to steal from a liquor store when he himself can buy the whole store with his black money. On the other hand a poor would engage himself in violent activities in his desperation because the law is favoring the rich.
MochaShakaKhan

Con

Once again, my opponent hasn't connected what he's saying with the real world. It's just conjectural assertions he's spouting.

I don't see two different laws functioning here. I see one law that views violent crimes as more heinous than non-violent crimes, of which the rich do less of the former and more of the later.
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by charleslb 4 years ago
charleslb
Dear Pro (afsheenfatima),

Beware, there are many at this site, so-called "libertarians" and conservatives, who suffer from an ideologically-impaired moral compass that no longer points their thinking true north in its estimation of the capitalist system, i.e., they subscribe to a perverse and topsy-turvy dogmatism in which it's veritably the case that up is down, in which capitalism & its practitioners are the bomb, and the critics & victims of capitalism (socialists and the poor) are viewed as duds deserving of denigration. You"re probably going to be inundated with critical and hostile feedback from them, stand strong and don't allow them to cow you into silence or agreement with their ferocious fundamentalism.
Posted by charleslb 4 years ago
charleslb
Sorry, didn't actually intend to post my comments twice. Not even sure how it happened!
Posted by charleslb 4 years ago
charleslb
Thank you, afsheenfatima, for stating quite bluntly what would be the simple & obvious truth (i.e., the easily recognizable reality of the thinly-veiled Darwinian character of our capitalist form of socioeconomic system) but for all of the sociocultural and ideological conditioning we're constantly exposed to from the craddle to the grave.

Well, those, such as yourself, who have managed to liberate their intellects from the false consciousness fostered by capitalist culture are hip to the awful actuality of capitalist economics, that it boils down to our modern variation on the Palaeolithically old theme of the law of the jungle, as you plainly put it, with capitalists as the equivalent of modern-day alpha males & females, lording social and political dominance over the poor and other underdogs, who are viewed by the Darwinian mentality as weak & inferior and therefore underserving of society's compassion in the form of social welfare programs. Yes, you've grasped a terrible bit of truth that all too few of us ever muster the insight to even suspect. Kudos, and keep up the good work of enlightening your fellow man and woman. You certainly have my vote!
Posted by charleslb 4 years ago
charleslb
Thank you, afsheenfatima, for stating quite bluntly what would be the simple & obvious truth (i.e., the easily recognizable reality of the thinly-veiled Darwinian character of our capitalist form of socioeconomic system) but for all of the sociocultural and ideological conditioning we're constantly exposed to from the craddle to the grave.

Well, those, such as yourself, who have managed to liberate their intellects from the false consciousness fostered by capitalist culture are hip to the awful actuality of capitalist economics, that it boils down to our modern variation on the Palaeolithically old theme of the law of the jungle, as you plainly put it, with capitalists as the equivalent of modern-day alpha males & females, lording social and political dominance over the poor and other underdogs, who are viewed by the Darwinian mentality as weak & inferior and therefore underserving of society's compassion in the form of social welfare programs. Yes, you've grasped a terrible bit of truth that all too few of us ever muster the insight to even suspect. Kudos, and keep up the good work of enlightening your fellow man and woman. You certainly have my vote!
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Vote Placed by DeFool 4 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I equate this with a water-cooler discussion at the office. S&G go to Con, for his skillful use of capital letters.
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Reasons for voting decision: Poor quality debate. Neither side deserves a vote. Charleslb has made more efforts in comments than the debaters have made overall...