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the universe had a beginning

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Started: 3/14/2013 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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zezima

Pro

The universe had a beginning. Prove that it didn't have to.
Theqeustioner

Con

i ACCEPT and this is a very hard challenge so put that in mind
Debate Round No. 1
zezima

Pro

The beginning of the universe was the beginning of time. There had to be a beginning. If there was no beginning, there would be no middle, no end, and that means we would be stuck in the absence of time.
Time goes one way and that is forward. With no beginning, there is nowhere for time to move from.
Saying there was an infinite amount of years, means that there would have to be an infinite amount of years to get to today. That means today would never have come.
Infinite- Having no boundaries or limits
With no beginning, there can be no middle, and no end.
Now here"s an example. Let"s say I am 1 mile away from my school. That means I am 1 mile away from my school and that it is possible to get there. Now let"s say I am infinite miles away from my school. That means it would be impossible to get there.
Theqeustioner

Con

what was there before the beginning: Go back further still, beyond the moment of creation"what then? What was there before the big bang? What was there before time began? The same astrophysicist notes that some scientists, including Hawking, have begun considering the so-called multiverse theory. This theory accepts that our universe is finite, but it suggests that ours is just one of many universes. The whole multi-universe may be eternal, according to this theory, even though our particular universe is not.until the late 1910"s " those who didn"t take Genesis literally had no reason to believe there had been a beginning.The Genesis account of creation and the big bang theory both speak of everything coming from othing. Suddenly the Bible and science agree (a discovery somewhat embarrassing to materialists). Smoot admits, There is no doubt that a parallel exists between the big bang as an event and the Christian notion of creation from nothing.

The evidence had begun to add up, and some scientists weren"t liking the sum
Debate Round No. 2
zezima

Pro

lets say the begining of the universe was point "a" and today is point "b". please tell me how we can get from point a to point b if there was no point a. if there was no point a and there was only point b, point b was the begining of time. with an infinite amount of time, time cant go forwards or backwards. time is non existent.
if you believe we dont exist, then thats a whole nother story
so explain how today can exist with no begining.
Theqeustioner

Con

Theqeustioner forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
zezima

Pro

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Theqeustioner

Con

Theqeustioner forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by zezima 4 years ago
zezima
i believe the creator is God
Posted by drhead 4 years ago
drhead
Quantum mechanics are not so easily dismissed, considering how your computer is built on the principles of quantum mechanics, thus allowing you to post your comment.

Furthermore, I don't even have to prove it, since burden of proof would lie on you in this case. If the universe had a beginning from which there was nothing before, something would have to trigger that event. You would have to prove the existence of such an entity, which, when Russel's Teapot is applied, makes the burden of proof lie on the person trying to claim the existence of something (you).
Posted by zezima 4 years ago
zezima
you can do all the math equations, test, etc. you want but we will never be able to prove it until it can be physically tested.
everything you said by the way is just a theory, not a fact.
Posted by drhead 4 years ago
drhead
Time is just a fourth dimension in spacetime. While we only ever go forward in time (and we can go forward at a faster or slower rate depending on our velocity and gravitational fields), that does not mean that time couldn't have gone on infinitely in the past. We couldn't really tell anyway, since at the time of there being a singularity (at the moment of the big bang) any information from the existence of a previous universe would be imperceptible. It's like trying to pull something back out of a black hole, everything is all scrambled up since then, and because of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle (the more precisely you know the momentum of a particle, the less precisely you know the position), it is impossible to test for the existence of a previous universe, since even if we knew the position and velocity of every particle, we wouldn't know it well enough to retrace their steps.
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