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Dalethejr
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theism is atheism

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Started: 9/15/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vi_spex

Pro

if i take my hand behind my back, and claim i am showing 3 fingers, is it true for you to say yes vi you are?

you can believe that i am showing 4 fingers, or 5, and if you believe my claim that i am showing 3 fingers behind my back you are an atheist to the guys believing that i am showing 4 or 5 fingers

only 3 positions exist on any imaginary claim, yes no or maybe, and imaginary claims are unknown, so not about truth
Dalethejr

Con

The dictionary definition of an atheism is as states; "...atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists."

Contrary to this, theism is; "The belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures."

So there is really no argument present sir.
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

atheism is disbelief, theism is belief

theism is atheism, because if i say that unicorns created everything i will clash with a theist in a debate, atheists clash
Dalethejr

Con

Correct. Atheists and Theists do fight about religious debates such as Christianity vs Hinduism or Judaism vs Atheism. However, saying this does not mean that they are necessarily the same thing. Yes they both believe in something and yes they both fight about similar things, but that doesn't mean they are the same. An apple is round, a plum is round. An apple is sweet, a plum is sweet. But this does not just prove the fact that an apple and a plum are the same thing, similar to your argument that atheism and theism are the same thing.
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

no, to be atheist you must be theist, or you have no argument and no disbelief, you must have a belief to disbelieve from

so you can argue christianity is real vs my unicorn god and we are atheists clashing

you cant have atheism in your hand
Dalethejr

Con

Dalethejr forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Dalethejr

Con

Dalethejr forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Dalethejr

Con

Dalethejr forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
no
Posted by n7 1 year ago
n7
The hand is an analogy to a mirror.

Do you deny a mirror is a mirror? Hand = analogy mirror. A mirror of analogy. Like a horse. It's a horse, of course.
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
image*
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
yes, but a hand is not a mirror imagine, so not a mirror
Posted by n7 1 year ago
n7
The image is a mirror. Like the image of a mirror on a mirror. The hand image = mirror!
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
no my hand is not a mirror
Posted by n7 1 year ago
n7
But the right hand is just a mirror image of the left!
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
so i am showing 3 fingers behind my back right now?
Posted by n7 1 year ago
n7
But hands exist. 3 fingers don't show a hand exists, but a theism is an atheism equals cause vs effect.
Posted by vi_spex 1 year ago
vi_spex
how do you know
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