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DavidFlo
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KhalifV
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there is a god

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Started: 8/18/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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DavidFlo

Pro

there obviously is a god we can see his creations that is evidence of him because he created us in his image if you dont believe you are ignorant and you hate him
KhalifV

Con

BoP is on pro to show there is a god.
He has not provided any arguments.



Noll Hpothesis
"A type of hypothesis used in statistics that proposes that no statistical significance exists in a set of given observations. The null hypothesis attempts to show that no variation exists between variables, or that a single variable is no different than zero. It is presumed to be true until statistical evidence nullifies it for an alternative hypothesis."

So it's the case, one should not believe in any gods, until they're supported by evidence.
So on the basis there's no evidence for god(S), atheism is more rational.



-The Oscillating Universe
This is a self-contained model in which the universe evolves from a big bang, then expands and expands and then collapses upon it's self and then re-expands. This model is perfectly self-contained and no god is needed.

-Hartle Hawking



QET:-
Any universe that is described by quantum mechanics with non-zero energy and a time independent Hamiltonian is eternal in both arrows of time.
Ekpyrotic Universe: "...our current universe arose from a collision of two three-dimensional worlds (branes) in a space with an extra (fourth) spatial dimension."
The point isn't that any of these are the right model, rather that there are self contained models.
Multiverse-








1. Let's visit the multiverse. The multiverse is a natural consequence of inflation. Via BICEP2 Primordial gravitation waves have been detected, which is almost indisputable proof of inflation.
Inflation accounts for the:
1.Uniformity. The cosmic background radiation is quite uniform. Inflation adequately accounts for the uniformity. A uniform region expanded rapidly, evolving into our visible universe.
2. Mass density. Inflation predicts the omega should 1. The Planck satellite measures the omega as 1, which means our universe should be flat, which it is.
3.Small non-uniformity. The small non-uniformity in the universe is easily accounted for by quantum fluctuations, which have been observed in the CBR.
As explained the multiverse is a consequence of inflation. All the other predictions have come true. I would say that would constitute a good reason to think the multiverse is true.
Via inflation, some parts of the early universe expanded more than other, created bublbles of space time, which later developed into other universes, and our universe is just a bubble universe and requires no creator just a prior universe. The multiverse can be eternal.

I don't know what else to say, considering pro has not said anything interesting.
There is not evidence for a god, and there does not need to be a god, thus per Occam's razor, one should not propose the existence of one.
Debate Round No. 1
DavidFlo

Pro

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Debate Round No. 2
DavidFlo

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by superbowl9 2 years ago
superbowl9
I thought so :P
And that's why you don't put 15 minute time limits on debates.
Posted by KhalifV 2 years ago
KhalifV
Copy and paste from a prior debate. I would not put that much effort into a snipe
Posted by superbowl9 2 years ago
superbowl9
Kalif,
Was that a copy/paste or just skill?
Posted by YaHey 2 years ago
YaHey
Thats why you don't have 15 minute limits for topics like "there is a god"
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Reasons for voting decision: FF. I wonder how long until pro starts vote fluffing someone.
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