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these bible verses contradict each other

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/16/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

John 3:13
states, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

2 Kings 2:1
And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2 Kings 2:11
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
ZacGraphics

Con

"Oh no! These Bible verses seem to go against each other, so that must mean that the whole Bible is flawed!"

Let me help you out here. No, these Bible verses don't contradict each other. It may seem like that at first glance, but take a closer look.

In John 3:13, the word 'ascend' doesn't necessarily mean 'to go up'. The word ascend comes from a Latin word which means 'to climb'. While, in 2 Kings 2:1, the scripture states that he was "taken up", he didn't go up on his own, or 'ascend'. No one can go to Heaven on their own, as Elijah was taken up by God.

This is hardly a contradiction.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

ascend means go up. it is only those trying to make the verses make sense that cause one to say there must be more to ascend than is plain to us.
ZacGraphics

Con

"Ascend" means to rise, in a way, yes, but not in the way that you're thinking. 'Ascend' means to "go up", but it means to "go up on your own". Also, notice how this word isn't used in the second and third verses.

"it is only those trying to make the verses make sense that cause one to say there must be more to ascend than is plain to us."

I'm not 'trying' to make the verses make sense at all, because that's not within my ability. These verses are stated in a certain context, and that context can be found clear if you look a bit harder.

In actuality, these verses compliment each other rather than contradict each other.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

dairygirl4u2c forfeited this round.
ZacGraphics

Con

Thank you, Pro, for this short debate.

All points extended. Good Luck to voters.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ZacGraphics 1 year ago
ZacGraphics
@abc123jendunee Thanks, but this doesn't have to do much with religion. This person apparently thought that these Bible verses contradict each other, but it was just a misunderstanding in comprehension.
Posted by abc123jendunee 1 year ago
abc123jendunee
ZacGraphics won, even though I'm an atheist
Posted by John_Royals 1 year ago
John_Royals
This is a contextual issue, not a contradiction. This is a common mistake people do when they pull Bible Verses out from one another. Read the whole of John chapter 3:1-18 about Jesus encounter with Nicodemus
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Vote Placed by Matt532 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - pro ff, Con was nice in round 3; Spelling- pro could use capital letters in round 2; Convincing Arguments- Con was insightful, made the reading worth it! Defining ascend by Google Dictionary gives support to Con. John 3:13 makes sense given that definition of ascension, even with "the Son of man." So, there was a "hidden/implicit meaning" in ascension that Con brought out, making the title of the debate lean towards false. Since Pro didn't respond effectively against Con's argument, Con maintains edge.
Vote Placed by dsjpk5 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro ff a round, so conduct to Con.
Vote Placed by Zanomi3 1 year ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct goes to Con because of a forfeited round by Pro. Spelling and grammar goes to Con, as well as more convincing arguments. Pro never made a substantial argument, and Con successfully debunked the little argument that was made while proving his own point. Sources remains tied as nothing was really sourced.