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third trimester of pregnancy should be heavily regulated as per abortion

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Started: 2/20/2008 Category: Religion
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

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both legally and morally, the third trimester of pregnancy should be heavily regulated to prevent abortion.

legally.... roe v wade allows regulation, but doe v. bolton in practice has effectively render void that legislative option.
"Whether, in the words of the Georgia statute, "an abortion is necessary" is a professional judgment that the Georgia physician will be called upon to make routinely. We agree with the District Court, 319 F. Supp., at 1058, that the medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors - physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age - relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health."

not because that case is bad law, but because it's being applied too liberally. so, to keep with the snpirit of roe v wade, legally, more regulations should exist in the third trimester.

also, morally... only things like the health of the mother should allow abortions. maybe a little leniency on some other things, but not much. this is obvious... it's not a baby two seconds out of the birth canal but a baby two seconds before, and murder doesn't happen only out of the birth canal. this is not debatable, to rational people.

so, rationally and morally, the third trimester should be heavily regulated.
sleepiB

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Abortion is typically a last resort for women. As such, the legality of a procedure has relatively little bearing on the decision to undergo it. Desperate women are going to get an abortion regardless of legality, if it is the only course they feel is open to them (Restrictive laws do not reduce abortions: http://www.economist.com... ).

Legal restriction does have a significant harmful impact on the safety of a procedure.

The decision to regulate abortion is the same whether there are moral concerns for the fetus or not. If abortion is wrong, the only concern should be to prevent abortion, not to punish women that have had them. In this circumstance, the most effective methods are preventive birth control(condoms), and informing each pregnant woman who is trying to make a decision of all her potential options, including helping her meet couples looking to adopt children, and informing her of all available support programs available, should she choose to raise the child herself.

Restricting abortions is futile and harmful, the funds that would be used to enforce such laws could prevent far more abortions, not to mention suffering caused by illegal/unsafe abortions if it is used to combat the conditions that compel the woman to choose abortion.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

you provide no support for you assertion that most women use abortion as a last resort. there are two and a half abortions per minutes in the US,,, i'd speculate that those are not being done because of a last resort.
if we're making exceptions for hte mothers health, then why would you care if she resorts to having them herself? first of all, it'd some some abortions when they will comply with the law... second of all... we don't go around saying people should be able to murder others cause it might bring harm to hte murderer. at that level of pregnancy, htere's no dispute that it's murder when it has little justification.
if their "last resort" means they're upset their parents might disown them, that's not enough of a justification to kill someone.

as for your funds argument... people can still be educated for it and such. adding more funds to prosecute are not going to change anything.... you're creating a problem where there is none.
sleepiB

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Wasting money on ineffective legislation is always a problem.

What are the traits that define a human being? Intelligence, curiosity, and metacognition? Does a fetus or newborn have all of those traits? There is dispute that it can be called murder, especially when you haven't defined murder with respect to non-human entities. Would it be murder to kill a plant with the intelligence of a human? A human body grown without a brain?

The reason I have not referenced any studies concerning third trimester abortion is because there is no reliable data on late term abortion, because 99.2% of abortions are in the first 2 trimesters. What numbers exist show that the demographic most likely to have a late term abortion are girls under 15 years of age(CDC http://www.cdc.gov...).

What evidence do you provide that increasing regulation would decrease the number of abortions anyway? I find it hard to believe of all abortions are in countries where the procedure is illegal: Guttmacher, et al.

There is no justification for more legislation.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

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i don't see where you get the stats you claim from that link. could you quote it?
given your propensity to make up things as in your first post, i wouldn't be surprised if you're stretching the truth of what you found in your second post.

but, with that said, i can't find many statisitics on the internet to back up my claim. i assumed it was true. in fact, all i found was fact backing up yours...
http://www.drhern.com...

i'll have ot check more from time to time and keep an eye out. as of now, i concede the argument and you win.
(other than to say if it's possible to regulate non-health and deformities then it should be, i'm just not sure how much that's poossible)
sleepiB

Con

I was referring to table 16 from the CDC statistics: for girls under 15, 5.1% of abortions were late term, 15-19: 2.4%. The older age groups range between 1.1 and 1.4% of abortions late term.

The bigger problem is the difficulty of objectively inquiring into the reasons women decide on abortion. I can think of no blind method of collecting data, especially because it is necessary to account for very subjective influences.

It is likely physical health is not a major factor in most abortions. Money, fear, and maturity(of the mother) are more prominent factors, but more restrictive legislation is not going to prevent abortions The only effective ways of reducing abortions are to prevent unwanted pregnancies and to give pregnant women more options.
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