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Started: 11/15/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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y16

Pro

(1) Torture is the intentional infliction of extreme physical and mental suffering on some non-consenting, defenseless, other person for the purpose of breaking their will.
(2) The purpose of torture is to cause someone to cease to act in accordance with his or her own will and act in accordance to the will of the torturer.
(3) What is moral is ethical.
(4) Ethics is acting in accordance with what is right and wrong.
(5) Cases where the lives of innocents can be saved such as bomb threats and car jacks with children in the car are cases where necessary minimalist torture is morally justifiable.
(6) Necessary minimalist torture is morally justifiable.
(7) Minimalist torture is torture in where the torturee can still physically and psychological functions after the torture occurs.
(8) Torture is morally justifiable if presented with imminent threat to the life or lives of other.
(9) Therefore torture is minimally morally justifiable.

uncontroversial- 1,2,3,4,6,7,8
controversial- 5 is true because torture is minimalist when its for the purpose of saving lives.
Sc2

Con

(1) I agree with this definition of torture.
(2) It is not simply that the person is coerced into saying or doing what they don"t want to do. Breaking a person"s will should be more clearly explained.
(3) This premise is too vague; there needs to be a definition of both morals and ethics.
(4) Contrarily, ethics asks us to pay attention to something beyond ourselves.
(5) There could be a possible situation where the lives of innocents can be saved, but maximalist torture is used instead of minimalist torture.
(6) Since maximalist torture damages the victim"s autonomy and self-identity irretrievably, it is not morally justifiable.
(7) Therefore all kinds of torture are not minimally morally justifiable

uncontroversial- 1,2,3,5,6
controversial- the definition in premise 4 comes from the basics of ethics packet.
Debate Round No. 1
y16

Pro

Stating that forms of torture can maximalist is irrelevant to this argument because we are agreeing for forms that are minimalist justifiable. There isn't a need for the definition of morals because I stated that morals is the same as ethics and I gave a definition for ethics. An example for torture breaking someone will power is when they are tortured to the point where they say anything or do anything just so that the torturer would stop the torture.
Sc2

Con

We are arguing that forms of torture are minimally morally justifiable, this does not just mean the minimalist form, so it is safe to assume that the maximalist form is included in this area. The definition of morals is needed because we are arguing that forms of torture are minimally morally justifiable. We need an understanding of morals to do this.
Debate Round No. 2
y16

Pro

No it is not safe to assume that the maximalist form is included because that form isn't involved in our argument because we are arguing for the minimalist form, so we are only concerned with the form that temporarily shuts a person down physically and mentally not that the form that shuts down a person permanently. Also by me saying that morals is the same as ethics the definition of ethics works as the definition for morals as well.
Sc2

Con

In the end, the argument concerns torture being minimally morally justifiable, and for this to be true all aspects of torture must be morally justifiable. This includes the routine use of torture, which is not morally justified. Therefore,all kinds of torture are not minimally morally justifiable.
Debate Round No. 3
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Vote Placed by 9spaceking 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I'm kind of confused. Con manipulated the resolution to be "all kinds of torture are minimally justifiable" while pro thought the resolution to be "torture is minimally justifiable". Since the resolution is too unclear, null vote.