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turtle is the best bot in gunbound

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/3/2008 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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proaz

Pro

For any of you gunboud players, I believe that turtle would be the best bot for gunbound. But people probably won't join this debate anyways
MoonDragon613

Con

hm, this one's pretty easy.

Turtle is not the best bot in gunbound.
Knight and Dragon are both better (though I prefer knight), especially in terms of damage although the Dragon also has an enormous defensive bonus since it levitates.

My favorite, personally, is the Lightening mobile since it not only does tremendous damage but also a skilled player (such as myself) can easily score double and even triple kills with it. Which is cool, thus making it a better bot than the turtle. Ever tried getting a double kill with a turtle? You'd need your opponents to be standing on top of each other, and how likely is that?

And finally, not my favorite, but nevertheless frightening is the Kalsiddon. This is perhaps the most dangerous mobile in the game, even more dangerous than knights and dragons. Although it requires a high level of play, a skilled player can one hit KO another player pretty easily.

Thus Turtle is not the best bot in gunbound.
Debate Round No. 1
proaz

Pro

Lightning does not do a tremendous amount of damage. It does a normal amount of damage. Also, turtle's defense is way better than lightning. Turtle's SS is way better than lightning's SS. I don't think anyone has gotten over 2000 damage with a turtle SS. Getting double kills is just luck. The only way to get double kill with lightning is either they are stacked on top of each other, or they are directly diagonal from them. I've gotten plenty of doulbe kills with turtle, and some cases where they were not stacked upon each other.

Dragon's defense is so low. I killed one in 1 hit with turtle. If you would stop playing with noobs, maybe you would see that it doesn't matter if dragon levitates.

Whenever somebody gets knight, they always get double or triple teamed, except when people find out that they suck. Every time some other enemy gets dragon, all my teammates say to doulbe, triple, or quadruple team the knight. Also, when people are in holes, such as nak, then it is very hard for knight to kill them.

If you ever play with many of the pros (like me, lol), you would see that us pros get 1 hit k.o. all the time, especially when somebody gets a bot with such low defense, like dragon. Kal also has the most natural enemies, many bots get a 5 percent increase on their attack on kalsiddon. Kalsiddon does require a high level of skill, but it also requires angle and a good wind. If there is a strong wind going the opposite way you need, or there is no way to get angle, then kalsiddon is doomed.

Turtle is better than all of those bots.
MoonDragon613

Con

Turtle defense is the only thing going for turtle. Everything else tanks.

Take for example the Turtle SS. Let's face it, the Turtle SS is garbage. Its ridiculously difficult to use and in most circumstances it's pretty useless. Unlike with other weapons, not only do you have to angle and adjust power to make sure it hits, you then have to make sure it hits at the precise moment or else it does no damage because it hit too early or it hit too late. That makes the Turtle SS one of the worst in the game. Yes other mobiles also have SS that are impacted by time, but with them its a threshold. After the threshold, their SS does increased damage, but that is drastically different from the narrow interval window for the Turtle SS. It makes the Turtle SS useless to most players, which makes the Turtle therefore a horrible mobile.

Secondly, saying the dragon levitation does not matter just shows how little you understand about the various weapons systems. The Bigfoot or the Nak for example rely on hitting the Ground. Thus against the dragon, even a well aimed attack would do little damage since the explosion of their weapons on the ground beneath the dragon does little damage. And more eloquent than my words is your silence about dragon damage. Dragon damage is Gosu.

Third, do you know why people double and triple team Dragons and Knights and not turtles? Because the first 2 are awesome mobiles. Ever heard anyone say "Oh, holy sh-t, its a Turtle. Let's gank it cause the Turtle's going to pwn us"? No and you know why? Because the Turtle is not the best mobile. In fact it's not even a good mobile, but that doesn't really matter. I just have to show it's not the best mobile. And you did that yourself when you said enemy teams double and triple team dragons and knights.

And Forth, you didn't say the best mobile for Pros. You said the best mobile. I don't think it's the best mobile for pros either, but let's face it, it's definitely not the best mobile for noobs. Noobs can't aim, so the Grub is the best mobile for noobs. And on some maps, JD is pure pwnage because of it's ability to bunge. And for me, Lightening is the best mobile. If lightening is the best mobile for me, how can an ugly slow turtle that shoots little streams of water possibly be the best mobile?

(2 rounds done, 3 rounds to go. Oh btw, why did you make this a 5 round debate?)
Debate Round No. 2
proaz

Pro

proaz forfeited this round.
MoonDragon613

Con

Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best.
Debate Round No. 3
proaz

Pro

proaz forfeited this round.
MoonDragon613

Con

Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best.
Debate Round No. 4
proaz

Pro

proaz forfeited this round.
MoonDragon613

Con

Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best. Turtle is not the best.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by HCPwns95 9 years ago
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lol turtle is NOT the best.

Ever heard of knight?
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