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grandma-john
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Losing
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The Contender
Awed
Con (against)
Winning
26 Points

ucla vs usc ucla FTW!!!!!!

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/10/2010 Category: Sports
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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grandma-john

Pro

the only reason why people like usc better is because of football. ucla ranks first in overall NCAA-wikipedia. ucla is more affordable and in a better location. ucla has a better campus, ranked higher academically, and awesomer :D
Awed

Con

Before starting, I'd like to thank my opponent for this debate.

As my opponent said, USC is better than UCLA in football. Even though UCLA is first overall in sports championships, that is irrelevant, because we're comparing only USC vs UCLA, as the resolution says. All time, for every sport, USC leads 891-842-10 vs UCLA. [1]

As for academics, USC (23) also ranks higher than UCLA (25) overall, for 2011. [2]
USC also has a lower student faculty ratio (9:1) vs UCLA (16:1). [3][4]

In terms of money, USC provides need-based financial aid to 62% of its undergraduate students, compared to 50% provided by UCLA. [3][4]

[1] http://www.great-sports-rivalries.com...
[2] http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...
[3] http://www.princetonreview.com...
[4] http://www.princetonreview.com...
Debate Round No. 1
grandma-john

Pro

Thank Con for taking up this debate.

As I have mentioned, UCLA is located near Westwood, while USC is located by Exposition Park. Westwood is surrounded by many affluent communities such as Beverly Hills, Brentwood,, and Westwood. (Wikipedia). In 2009, 11000 degrees were given out in UCLA. 10000 degrees were given degrees in USC. Of all the students who attended UCLA,

85% Would choose to attend this institution again

79% Were satisfied with the value of their education for the price they paid

83% Were satisfied with their overall academic experience

83% Reported that their campus had a strong commitment to undergraduate education

http://www.aim.ucla.edu...

UCLA also has higher standards for admission. The average highschool GPA of UCLA has to be at least 4.2 while the average GPA for USC is only 3.7. This means that it is harder to get into UCLA than it is USC. However, 10,000 more people applied to UCLA instead of to USC.

UCLA has a larger campus compared to USC. (419 to 155 respectively). There is room for buildings that can help improve one's education. UCLA has 870 registered student organizations, USC has 676.
(Princeton Review^^^^)

By comparing from the UCLA website and the USC website, I found that the professors of UCLA have earned many more awards than the professors of USC.

Now to sports :D

UCLA; USC
baseball; Baseball
gymnastics(women only); basketball
rowing(women only); football
softball(women only); golf
swimming and diving(women only); swimming and diving
basketball; tennis
cross country; track and field
football; volleyball
golf; water polo
soccer; cross country(women only)
tennis; rowing(women only)
track and field; soccer(women only)
volleyball
water polo
(sorry, debate.org wont let me make two columns. The ones after the semicolon are USC's sports and the ones before are UCLA's :D)
So if one is a sports fanatic, then UCLA is the place to go. There is more variety and more choices http://www.usctrojans.com...
http://www.uclabruins.com...

In conclusion, UCLA is more preferable because of its overall academic performances and because of all the different opportunities that are available there. "Fiat Lux!"-let there be light in English!:D (UCLA'S motto)
Awed

Con

I'd like to thank my opponent for his quick response.

My opponent states statistics about degrees given out by USC and UCLA, which is irrelevant, considering that UCLA has far more students compared to USC.

For statistics of student satisfaction [1]

87% would attend USC again compared to 85% at UCLA
83% were satisfied with their overall academic experience at USC (same as UCLA)

USC didn't survey the students in the other two categories.

"The average highschool GPA of UCLA has to be at least 4.2 while the average GPA for USC is only 3.7"

This is an unweighted GPA compared to a weighted GPA (4.0 scale vs 5.0 scale). A more accurate, unweighted (4.0 scale) number from the university websites show that the average GPA for new undergrads enrolled in fall 2009 was 3.59 for UCLA [2] and 3.8 for USC [3] for those admitted. For GPA, USC has a higher standard than UCLA.

"UCLA has a larger campus compared to USC. (419 to 155 respectively). There is room for buildings that can help improve one's education. UCLA has 870 registered student organizations, USC has 676."

USC has a campus size of 226 acres [4] according to it's official website, a more accurate source than The Princeton Review. Even though UCLA's campus size is in fact 419 acres [5], this is irrelevant to one's education. Looking at Harvard, for example, the size is 210 acres but the quality of education is much higher than USC or UCLA. ASU has a campus size of 625 acres, but again, the quality of education of USC and UCLA is much higher than ASU.

In terms of student organizations, USC's website shows a more accurate number, 725+ [6], and UCLA reporting 800+[7] on its website. When comparing the number of students to student organizations [8][9], the ratio is 48:1 at both USC and UCLA.

For sports, even though UCLA has more options for it's students to participate in, the overwhelming majority of the students will be the ones watching the sports, not playing. A sports fanatic would much rather be part of a school whose sports teams win games than a school whose team plays a lot of games, but has a losing record against its rival school.

Looking back at the rankings, USC is ranked 23rd overall in the country, while UCLA is 25th. In sports, USC beats UCLA constantly, with an overall record of 891-842-10 vs UCLA. For these reasons, I urge a Con vote.

[1] http://sait.usc.edu...
[2] http://www.aim.ucla.edu...
[3] http://www.usc.edu...
[4] http://www.usc.edu...
[5] http://www.ucla.edu...
[6] http://sait.usc.edu...
[7] http://www.gdnet.ucla.edu...
[8] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[9] http://en.wikipedia.org...
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by wesswll 7 years ago
wesswll
University of Spoiled Children
Posted by Awed 7 years ago
Awed
I don't like USC or UCLA. I'm a Notre Dame fan :D
Posted by zGodMode 7 years ago
zGodMode
University of Sucking "****"
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