unknown=false, as only know is true
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reality is unbelieved
unknown is alien, alien is false
The resolution is: "unknown=false, as only know is true"
Let's define a few words:
"Unknown" - : not known, not well-known : not famous .
"False" - not real or genuine : not true or accurate; especially : deliberately untrue : done or said to fool or deceive someone: based on mistaken ideas. .
We can rephrase the resolution, to be: What isn't known, must not be real, or genuine, or true.
BoP will be on Pro, although I will provide arguments as well.
1.) I invite everyone to partake on a journey with me into our solar system. Let's start at a resent time period. In fact, we will start only a couple months ago, January 2015. Almost feels like yesterday. Astronomers discovered eight new planets in outer space. Take a look at this excerpt from this article. .
"Astronomers on Tuesday announced the discovery of eight new potentially habitable planets beyond our solar system, including two that are the most similar to Earth of any discovered so far.
First identified by NASA's Kepler mission, all eight of the planets are located in their distant suns' "habitable zone," or the region where liquid water might exist on the surface of an orbiting planet. Only two of them, however, are likely made of rock, like Earth."
In those two paragraphs we see that astronomers "discovered" these new planets. Shall I define "discover?"
"Discover" - ": to see, find, or become aware of (something) for the first time. .
Until Jan. 2015, these planets were unknown, nobody knew of their existence. That is the unknown aspect of the resolution. Then come Jan 2015, these planets were discovered (found, to become aware of). These plates are known, fact, and real, true and genuine: "known." At a point in time these planets were unknown, which means they would be false, but they were discovered, which means they are true, and were true, even when they were unknown to us.
We have seen that unknown doesn't equal false, so the resolution is negated. I have adequately falsified the resolution. Pro must disprove this argument that stands, and provide his own arguments. Also please consider when voting the numerous and constant lack of punctuation and grammar in Pro's entries. Thank you.
unless you define universe as personal physical experience of now, how do you know a universe is true?
only know is true, and i know i dont know unknown
you would have to argue aliens are true to say unknown is true
Pro's point is that unless you physically, and personally experience something, it isn't true or real. Scientists have discovered and proven the existence of space and planets, it is fact, even though the majority of all humans have never experienced it, it is till a fact. For this point by pro, he has to actually prove the universes non-existence, otherwise it is a ludicrous assertion.
This little point by Pro can be disprove again for a second time with another example. I, personally, have never been to Antarctica. Does this mean that Antarctica doesn't exists, or isn't true? No. It is a fact that Antarctica exists, and people have been there and given accounts of it, even though I personally have never physically experienced it, it is true.
"only know is true, and I know I don't know unknown"
BoP is on Pro, this is still only a resolution with no evidence or example for why this assertion is true.
"you would have to argue aliens are true to say unknown is true"
Aliens are irrelevant to the debate.
I have disproven the resolution a second time by showing Antarctica exists, despite lack of physical, personal experience of it.
This argument stands.
My original argument still stands as well.
Pro hasn't fulfilled BoP.
All arguments extended, please also consider the continuous lack of grammar and punctuation by Pro. Thank you, vote Con.
fact=memory of physical experience(knowledge)
belief=be lie, as i have to imagine it
i can at best believe what others tell me, as i have to imagine it
facts are in the past, past dosnt matter, now is matter, i know my experience of now
lies exist, to me a star is a light in the night sky, and nothing beyond that..
i dont know bop, he might be a nice guy. unknown, being unknown, is not known.. and know is true, aliens are unknown, are aliens true and exist? aliens are lies, and lies exist, aliens are whatever i imagine them to be
aliens are unknown
"belief=be lie, as I have to imagine it"
Pro has given false definitions for these words, so let's use a dictionary:
"Fact" - something that actually exists; reality; truth. .
Fact is something that exists in reality. Fact does not rely on personal experience, nor knowledge of being true.
"Belief" - something believed; an opinion or conviction. .
Pro says that beliefs are a lie, since one has to imagine a belief. This isn't true because we have discovered that facts are not reliant on knowledge of themselves being a fact. Facts don't require personal experience to be true, which falsifies Pro's definitions of Fact, Belief and the whole resolution of this debate.
I needn't examine Pro's entry any further as I have already disproven the resolution for a third time.
My first argument of Kepler planets still stands, Pro hadn't refuted.
The second argument of Antarctica existing despite personal knowledge still stands.
Now the third argument has been displayed by defining fact, and showing it doesn't need personal or physical experience to be true.
All arguments stand and are extended. Please, yet again take note of the lack of citations and spelling and grammar of Pro. Thank you, please vote Con.
fact=past observation, subjective not objective(memory)
facts are in the past, past dosnt matter, now is matter
truth can only be in the past, now is true, you do not have knowledge of the future
know is the opposite of belief and knowledge, and future is the opposite of past
i dont know=i have to imagine it. i dont know is a true position, therfore belief is automaticly false, atheism and theism
just answer me this, did i just look at my dog? is that a fact
Fact can certianly be a past observation, but facts are not exclusive to past observation. Facts are not subjective. Gravity is a fact. The first and second laws of thermodynamics are fact. Fact is what is true and genuine, and doesn't require physical, personal experience for it to still be a fact.
We know that belief doesn't have evidence or proof yet, or not enough evidence or proof for it to a fact, but is possible for it to become fact. Belief=unknown, but unknown doesn't equal false. Thus by deductive reasoning: belief isn't automitically false just.
"I don't know=I have to imagine it. i don't know is a true position, therefore belief is automatically false, atheism and theism"
I don't know=unknown. That is correct, but unknown still has the probability of being fact, because truth isn't relative to our knowledge of it. Something being fact is separate from someone having knowledge of it being a fact. Each time something is discovered, it mean that it was unknown before discovery, but it was still a fact before discovery. Therefore the resolution has been negated for a fourth time.
"just answer me this, did I just look my dog? is that a fact"
I do not know if you looked at your dog. So that means it is unknown. Could you have looked at your dog? Yes you could've. So looking at the dog is (unknown) for me, but it could very well be possible for you to have looked at your dog (fact). Unknown has the possability of being false, or fact. Therefore resolution negated for a fitfth time.
All three arguments still stand, and are extended. Again, Pro fails to source anything and lacks spelling, punctuation, and proper grammar. Thank you.
i have memory of gravity, but gravity is continiously true, gravity is not subjective........ not of the mind
now is true, now is matter
belief is false by default, as i dont know is true, at the point of anything being true its becasue i know. belief is false, as everything has 2 sides
only know is true, unless i dont know, i dont know is a position i know
if i meet an alien, it is not an unknown, it was unknown when i had to imagine it
as to the dog thing... i dont have a dog, so it is not fact, but am i lying about not having a dog?
facts dosnt exist beyond my own memory, imagination goes to future, belief
Belief is not false by default. If it's a belief, it is unknown. Unknown is uncertain of, or unaware of. You can be unaware of something, but that something can still exists, and exists is true and true is fact. So belief has the ability to be true and fact, which means it is not be default false.
"as to the dog thing... I don't have a dog, so it is not a fact, but am I lying about not having a dog?"
It's irrelivant whether you had the dog or not, it was just an examply. I'll use your second example as well. Do you have a dog? I, personally, don't know. I am uncertain, it is an unknown. There are two possibilities, you have a dog, or you don't. It is possible for the unknown (do you have a dog?) to be a fact ( yes you have a dog). Unknown is a belief, or uncertainty, but it could still be true despite uncertainty.
"facts dosnt exist beyond my own memory, imagination goes to future, belief"
Pro says that anything beyond his own memory is false. Pro hasn't been to Jupiter, does Jupiter exist? Yes, Pro's assertion is false.
All three of previous arguments still stand and are extended. Yet again, take note of lack of spelling, punctuation, and grammar by Pro, as well as false definitions and lack of sourcing.
Thank you, please vote Con.
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Vote Placed by TBR 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: I just can't decide is vi has a proper argument brewing in him somewhere. This one was not it. He consistently ignored cons arguments, just wandering off in unconnected points with no attempt to actually prove the resolution.
Conduct = Pro shows no respect for cons arguments, simply ignoring them. S & G = Pro skips punctuation, and its often distracting trying to read his argument. Argument = Con had an argument. Pro made bare assertion only Sources = Con provided the only sources in the debate.
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