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dairygirl4u2c
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JacobDoe
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"unlimited paradox" - an ever present unlimited force does not exist

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dairygirl4u2c
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/25/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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dairygirl4u2c

Pro

"unlimited paradox" - an ever present unlimited force does not exist. in another matter of speaking i am saying "the unlimited does not exist"

can the unlimited limit itself? if not, it is not unlimited. if so, it is not unlimited.

also, reality as far as we know it indicates that anything that might be 'unlimited' is limited by the laws of logic, as far as we know.

thus, we can see by probing a few questions about what it means to be unlimited, that it does not really exist, at least in terms of being ever present.
JacobDoe

Con

Through the use of logic. If black holes exist, otherwise known as singularities, then unlimited does exist. Though we may not have an unlimited quantity in the universe, in theory, the more we have, the more the black hole sucks up, the more it grows, which can continue indefinitely. For the most part, unlimited works on a technicality, so it's more on how you choose to perceive mathematical terms. Claiming infinity exists could potentially be the same claim as god exists. Neither could be proved. Therefore, it's more of an unwinnable argument.
Debate Round No. 1
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

dairygirl4u2c forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
dairygirl4u2c

Pro

nothing indicates a black hole is unlimited. it takes in huge energy and mass, but that doesn't mean it's unlimited. plus as noted before, black holes eventually dissipate and leave the rest of the universe intact. 'infinitiy' isn't proven to be true either, as for all we know the universe has bounds to it. plus, the title of the debate said as a force, there is no force that is infinite even if an infinity exsits.
JacobDoe

Con

I'm sorry but are you part of some advanced civilization that has discovered the inner workings of existence? If not, shut up and accept that all we have are theories, and the logically accepted theories are the ones that we use on this planet.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by JacobDoe 2 years ago
JacobDoe
Finish school Mike.....
Posted by evangambit 2 years ago
evangambit
@Mike_10-4 I don't believe ratios apply to the concept of infinity in formal mathematics.
Posted by evangambit 2 years ago
evangambit
That a black hole's mass can increase over time doesn't make it infinite; infinite does not mean "growing" or even "always growing". Moreover, black holes are believed to eventually dissipate.
Posted by Mike_10-4 2 years ago
Mike_10-4
E=MC**2. We know C is absolute. Therefore, the ratio between E/M=C**2. Energy and Mass could be unlimited, by the ratio of C**2. So Pro has to prove otherwise. Good luck!
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Vote Placed by 9spaceking 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: ff, but con never proves black holes are infinite/unlimited
Vote Placed by bladerunner060 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: There wasn't much to this debate. But Pro gave some justifications for the motion, and Con's only rebuttal--that of black holes--was unsupported as "unlimited", or "ever present" or a "force". Arguments to Pro. As always happy to clarify this RFD.