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josephine14
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chewster911
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chewster911
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/25/2014 Category: Economics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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josephine14

Pro

i believe veganism will solve world hunger please comment your views about why it will or will not
chewster911

Con

I accept.

Since the BoP is on Pro to prove that veganism will solve world hunger,he has to provide the arguments for that claim. My job is only to provide rebuttals. I will provide the arguments only if necessary.

Good luck!
Debate Round No. 1
josephine14

Pro

1 in 6 people go to bed hungry each night therefore the way we are producing food and what we are eating is not working 1 pound of beef uses 13 gallons of water the food system account of a 1/4 of all global human emissions and in america the most animal product consuming nation 17.5 million people live in food insecure households.there are many vegan celebrities such as james cameron johnny depp. james cameron himself is a vegan and environmentalist he says you cannot be an environmentalist if you do not eat a plant based diet.meat and dairy are the most time consuming and ineffective ways to have calories as they require feed and housing where as plants do not require a daily food and do not excrete and waste matter which is better for the environment as we do not have store it and it can pollute rivers and wipe out river ecosystem.
chewster911

Con

I am quite surprised with the speed of Pro's reply. Let's check out the arguments laid out by Pro.

Pro did not provide any reason or arguments why veganism will solve world's hunger,nor did she provide a good argument against eating animal-based foods,and didn't explain why is our way of producing food wrong. Also she didn't explain why the fact that one in 6 people goes to sleep hungry is caused by not eating strictly plant-based foods. She only stated that preparing meat costs us resources. Then went on to name a few celebrities that are vegans (which is irrelevant to the topic). Maybe from his point of view you have to have a plant-based diet to be an environmentalist. This is not necessarily true though.

"meat and dairy are the most time consuming and ineffective ways to have calories as they require feed and housing where as plants do not require a daily food and do not excrete and waste matter which is better for the environment as we do not have store it and it can pollute rivers and wipe out river ecosystem."

Although it might be more time-consuming than plant-based food preparation,it is certainly not true that it is an ineffective way to consume calories. Vitamin B12 is essential to our circulatory and nerve systems (it can be only found in animal products). Many protein that meat contains cannot be found in plants. It is a really good source of calories.

Animal waste rarely makes it to the river or any water source. If stored properly,animal waste can be used as natural fertilizer and actually benefit the growth of plants. It can pollute the water,but it can't wipe out an ecosystem,because it isn't toxic,or anything that would endanger those ecosystems.

Everything in Pro's arguments was (to some extent) irrelevant to the title of this debate. Pro has to provide reasons and arguments to "Why veganism will solve world hunger?"

You also have take into consideration that something else is causing the world hunger,like poverty (which is much more reasonable to believe in than "the way we eat").

Good luck,you are gonna need it.
Debate Round No. 2
josephine14

Pro

josephine14 forfeited this round.
chewster911

Con

I expected something like this to happen. I extend my arguments until Pro answers.
Debate Round No. 3
josephine14

Pro

josephine14 forfeited this round.
chewster911

Con

Pro forfeited once again...
Debate Round No. 4
josephine14

Pro

josephine14 forfeited this round.
chewster911

Con

My arguments remained unanswered.

Vote Con!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by chewster911 2 years ago
chewster911
Thanks, UD! I agree, the claims by vegans are too fat-fetch'd.
Posted by UndeniableReality 2 years ago
UndeniableReality
chewster, that's a good point.

People don't often consider what will happen to the farm animals if we all become vegans. They won't return the wild. They'll all die.

That being said, I think the argument on the vegan side is so far conflating the way in which we produce meat now with all possible ways of producing meat. Does all meat production lead to a decrease in total food energy? Can we get all of our nutrition from plant foods? Remember, nutrition in animal products is more bioavailable. What about lab-grown meat? What about consumption of insects?

The argument needs to consider the broader picture, not just current practice in meat production.
Posted by chewster911 2 years ago
chewster911
Yes,but we have to balance our position with the animals position. If we use all the foods we used to feed the animals with to feed the humans,animals would be in a loss. There are 1.5 billion cattle, 1 billion pigs, and a whopping 21 billion chickens on Earth. We have to feed them all. The world hunger would be over if we started feeding people the food that we should feed the animals. But that would cause a massive wipe-out of domestic animals. The real solution to solve the world hunger is to evenly distribute the food. Because the economically rich countries have plenty of food,they should distribute the food to the poor countries that suffer from starvation. If we tried to solve the world hunger by using the ingredients of animal food and foods themselves,we would be solving one problem,and causing another,accomplishing nothing.
Posted by kbub 2 years ago
kbub
Actually it can solve world hunger. The proportion of grains and land and water used to feed livestock is extremely wasteful. You can actually something like 20x the amount of calories if the grains for the livestock were used to feed people instead of the meat. Likewise, you can actually get an outrageous amount more food in the land that it takes the livestock to graze than the meat provided. Remember basic biology--at every instance on the "foodchain" (a dated concept, to be sure) lots of energy is lost. Remember basic history/anthropology--meat was considered upper class precisely because it was so incredibly wasteful.
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
That would be like putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound.The real reason for any hunger is poverty. And poverty is driven by socialism, communism, tyrannical governments, war. Freedom without government intrusion is the ONLY way out of this mess. In the 50's America could have fed the world 5 times over. We are not any smarter than others. Nor do we have more resouces. Freedom was the only difference. And we have squandered much of that by putting in an intrusive government just so half the people can freeload off the other half.
Posted by polag 2 years ago
polag
I think Veganism could solve world hunger, no doubt, but due to the closed minded, traditionally-set governments and societies we live in, it is very unlikely that the whole world will choose to become vegan.
Give it time, when people are running out of resources and there is nothing to eat, although I think they'll go to chemically producing artificial nutrition before they turn to the READILY AVAILABLE, EVER PRESENT plant population, which also by the way doesnt suffer incredible excruciating pain for humans, like animals do.
Posted by chewster911 2 years ago
chewster911
Yeah i am curious to see josephine14's arguments.
Posted by AlexanderOc 2 years ago
AlexanderOc
Veganism will solve world hunger? *facepalm*
Posted by chewster911 2 years ago
chewster911
Oops, sorry josephine,i didn't realize that you had a female name,so i referred to you as "he".
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lannan13
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