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RainbowDash52
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lord_megatron
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vi_spex is a bot

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Started: 7/3/2016 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 10 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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RainbowDash52

Pro

Full resolution: The majority of the posts from the DDO user vi_spex were generated by a non-human artificial intelligence.

First round is acceptance.
lord_megatron

Con

On behalf of all bots, this is an insult. An idiot like vi_spex could only be human.
Debate Round No. 1
RainbowDash52

Pro

AI Capabilities

Computers are more than capable of generating text that looks as if it could have been human generated. In fact, computer generated papers have been published in peer reviewed journals. [1] If AI generated text is capable of getting through peer review, then it is certainly able to convince some people on the internet that it was at least human generated.

Captchas

AI's are not able to read captchas. I tested if vi_spex was able to read a captcha, and he failed. [2] Therefor, it can be concluded that vi_spex is an AI.

Non human characteristics

No human is like vi_spex. Nothing he says is coherent. He is never able respond to someone else's post in a way that shows he understood it. The frequency at which he debates is far more than any human on this site.

Conclusion

Vi_spex acts like a bot, and does not act like a human, so the most logical conclusion is that vi_spex is an AI.

Sources
[1] http://www.nature.com...
[2] http://www.debate.org...
lord_megatron

Con

Captchas
vi_spex is a cheeky human. He must have felt giving the answer to a captcha as offensive. If you give me a damn captcha, I am NOT going to answer it. I even have the picture of a bot.
AI
Your link says that they were AI generated nonsense. Yet vi_spex debates are not nonsense. In fact, this paragraph from your debates is finally something from vi_spex that I can understand-

"Stage 1: a portal entrance on winter rose mountain, into the dark of snake maze.
no one has ever died in snake maze, altough many have come close to death at the silent white and black snakes hiding in the noises of falling winter rose leafs, slithering in darkness of the maze.
Stage 2. A microscopic lightning strike from the center of a spider trofy.
Statue columbs of fearful eyed snakes in a tunnel with a promising light of a cave exit at its end, but caught in a giant spiders sticky web, a talking spider that in its revealed lights offers you a choice, and says you must jump from the edge of the cliff at the end of the tunnel or becomes the spider food, and first you must grab on to one of its legs to escape with it from the edge of the narrow cave cliff, to land on a ground camouflaged inflatable mattress, and should you do so the power to control fire will be granted to you"
Plus, AI development is still under process, and making of an AI that can operate debate.org debates is not known. Vi_spex would have to be an extremely complex and futuristic AI, meaning that vi_spex is just a human.
Non human characteristics
It is possible that vi_spex suffers from a psychological condition, and there are no exact characteristics of a human. You can't define a human. That would be discrimination.
Alternate preposition
I argue that vi_spex is a time-traveller from the future, where grammar became so eroded to the point that everyone speaks like vi_spex. vi_spex mentioned an unknown device- desert roller in the comments. I searched desert roller and it is not yet a specific vehicle. Vi_spex is from the future where desert rollers were invented.
ALL HAIL VI_SPEX!!!
Debate Round No. 2
RainbowDash52

Pro

Captchas

Most people when accused of cheating, would be willing to answer a single captcha to prove their innocence.

AI

What vi_spex writes is in fact nonsense. If you think there is meaning in what vi_spex writes, it is most likely because humans have a tendency of finding meaning in random data.

psychological condition

Con mentions vi_spex could have some psychological condition, but Con needs to reference at least one specific psychological condition for this theory to be plausible.

Time travel not possible

Traveling back in time has never been proven possible. In addition, it can be assumed that time travel is not possible because it would allow paradoxes that can't happen, such as the grandfather paradox. Therefor we can assume that vi_spex is not a time traveler from the future.
lord_megatron

Con

Captchas
In a school there are cheaters, they are not given captchas. Online, since vi-spex hasn't officially "cheated" or is guilty for anything, he doesn't have to prove his "innocence". He is to keep up his persona and will continue giving answers in his twisted style of speech.
AI
"Stage 1: a portal entrance on winter rose mountain, into the dark of snake maze.
What do you not understand in this sentence? He is trying to recreate some play and is creating a hypothetical debate, instead you troll him asking if he is a bot. I would be downright offended if this had happened with me.
Furthermore, an AI is a complex thing, especially if it needs to learn to operate debate.org on its own (if it doesn't, then someone has to click everytime and oversee the operation, and therefore vi_spex remains a half-human user). A developer investing their time into this is unlikely, as vi-spex hasn't achieved anything on debate.org, and there is no gain for the developer. Therefore vi_spex is not an AI.
Psychological condition
Hey I am no doctor am I? Yet you have must have heard the phrase "ramblings of a madman" . That madman could be vi_spex.
Time travel
You can never know whether it was possible or not. It could be that time-travel is outlawed in the future due to maniacs trying to change history to their benefits, therefore no known evidence. Furthermore, vi_spex doesn't have to time-travel physically. He would have sent his memories through the time-portal to his past self, but since the process was not perfect, it wiped his memory's previous not so impeccable grammar, or turned him into an incoherent madman. He even could have taken drugs or alcohol while browsing this site, to allow his persona to build for his own reasons. Or that vi_spex is actually a cyborg, a half-human and a half-robot. There are many possibilities in the realm of vi_spex., but an AI is quite unlikely in one of them.
Debate Round No. 3
RainbowDash52

Pro

My opponent argues that a developer would have no reason to spend the time developing an AI that could be vi_spex. This is wrong because there are multiple reasons to create such an AI such as a learning exercise or a resume builder. On the other hand, it would make no sense for a person to waste their time keeping up the persona that is vi_spex. For the AI learning how to opperate DDO, all that would have had to be done is for the person programming the vi_spex AI could have hard coded the api calls needed to post debates, arguments, messages, etc. on DDO, so instead of the AI needing to "figure out" how to use DDO, it could have pre-programmed knowledge to do so, so the AI would only have to focus on what and when to post. So it wouldn't be as hard to create an AI to be vi_spex as my opponent implied.

My opponent's other rebuttals are too weak for me to need to rebuttal them. Example:
"Time travel
You can never know whether it was possible or not."

I trust judges are able to recognize how weak those rebuttals are.
lord_megatron

Con

Time-travel
It could be that you can only travel in the past where you have your body to give your future memories to. You won't be able to travel where you weren't born. But yes, its an unlikely supposition.
AI
The AI could easily be tested and then removed. Yet vi_spex has been here for a long time, and his code doesn't seem to be updated. The AI would have to not only choose the random time when to post comments and debates, but also figure out a way to read the opponents arguments and act upon them. In Pro's captcha debate, vi_spex remarked it looked like a pony to him. That is only possible if he saw the captcha and acted upon it. Even in vi_spex's brain capacity, an AI like that would take lot of hard coding and would form an artificial intelligence currently unheard of.
Why does vi_spex do this
It is because he wants to see how will people react to such a persona, and whether there will be supporters or not. Or more likely, he has been instructed to do so for money by Juggle.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by vi_spex 10 months ago
vi_spex
heheh
Posted by lord_megatron 10 months ago
lord_megatron
does desert roller seem to be slang for tumbleweed? I think not. A future vehicle alt-mode, the desert roller
Posted by Zarium 10 months ago
Zarium
Lord Megatron, have you ever heard of tumbleweed?

https://en.wikipedia.org...

You assume a vehicle when fauna was specified.
Posted by vi_spex 10 months ago
vi_spex
no right place
Posted by vi_spex 10 months ago
vi_spex
Audrey Hepburn is so nice, she swing her head into the rice
Posted by vi_spex 10 months ago
vi_spex
ups wrong place
Posted by vi_spex 10 months ago
vi_spex
Audrey Hepburn is so nice, she swing her head into the rice
Posted by vi_spex 10 months ago
vi_spex
witches be upon you
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