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lord_megatron
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missmozart
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vi_spex is a time traveller from the future

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missmozart
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/3/2016 Category: Funny
Updated: 7 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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lord_megatron

Pro

Vi_spex is a time traveller as his style of speech, sentence structure and grammar are more than unique. He is from the future where grammar became so eroded to the point when everybody speaks like vi_spex.
missmozart

Con

I accept this debate.

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Definitions:
vi_spex: user on DDO http://www.debate.org...

time-travel: the concept of movement between certain points in time (...) typically using a hypothetical device known as a time machine, in the form of a vehicle or of a portal connecting distant points in time [1]

future: time regarded as still to come [2]

Structure:
Round 2: Main arguments + rebuttal by Con
Round 3: Rebuttal and conclusion

I would like to kindly ask Pro to confirm all the above. If Pro remains silent on whether he agrees or objects to my definitions etc, it will be automatically presumed that he agrees.

I look forward to your arguments. Good luck.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org...
[2] http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
Debate Round No. 1
lord_megatron

Pro

My argument again
Vi_spex is a time traveller as his style of speech, sentence structure and grammar are more than unique. He is from the future where grammar became so eroded to the point when everybody speaks like vi_spex.
Yes the definitions are good, except that we are arguing vi_spex is a time traveller, not that he has traveled with a time-machine, but that he has magical powers which enable only him to travel through and forth time.
Also, vi_spex has mentioned a vehicle named desert roller which isn't a specific vehicle yet, meaning in the future desert rollers were invented.
http://www.debate.org...
ALL HAIL VI_SPEX!
missmozart

Con

Before I begin, I would just like to say to vi_spex, if you're reading this, everything I say here is for the purpose of debating and nothing personal!

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Rebuttals:
Pro, you have absolutely NO PROOF whatsoever if vi_spex has actually travelled here from the future based on your opening arguments.

"his style of speech, sentence structure and grammar are (...) unique."

Just because vi_spex talks in a particular way that makes mostly no sense to everyone here including you, does not mean that he is a time traveller from the future. In fact, a more realistic way to describe vi_spex would be a "troll". "An Internet troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet (...) by posting (...) off-topic messages in an online community (...) often for their own amusement." [1]


"vi_spex has mentioned a vehicle named desert roller which isn't a specific vehicle yet, meaning in the future desert rollers were invented."

What a strange conclusion. In that case, if anyone makes up a non-existing word, they must be time-travellers from the future where people use that gibberish.


Arguments:
Time-travel could be a possibility in the future [2], I'm not denying that. But if vi_spex really was a time-traveller, why would he spend most of his time here on DDO?

Secondly, from looking at vi_spex's profile comments (posted by himself), absolutely NOTHING makes sense- only random words put together. Even from reading something like The Canterbury Tales by Gregory Chaucer which was written in the 1400s, although many words have changed and are therefore spelled differently etc, we can still understand the basic English meanings. I'm not sure how far in the future Pro thinks vi_spex is from, but I'm sure everyone reading can agree that there is no basic meaning to the latter's posts to imply that he is from the future.

Finally, yes, vi_spex has mentioned random things such as the "desert roller", but has he explained them and the fact that they exist in the future? No.


Conclusion:

Vi_spex is more like a troll than someone from the future. Pro has no proof if vi_spex is a time traveller and his arguments are poorly explained. To Pro: I honestly do not think you know more about vi_spex than the rest of us, but if you do, please enlighten me.

Thank you for reading. Vote Con.


Citations:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org...
[2] http://spaceplace.nasa.gov...
Debate Round No. 2
lord_megatron

Pro

"Just because vi_spex talks in a particular way that makes mostly no sense to everyone here including you, does not mean that he is a time traveller from the future. In fact, a more realistic way to describe vi_spex would be a "troll". "An Internet troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet (...) by posting (...) off-topic messages in an online community (...) often for their own amusement." [1]
No, vi_spex is not a troll. We can't even try to imitate his speech patterns, logic and grammar. He is the time-traveller. He has caused ww1 and ww2, and after his mistakes, is working to stop ww3. Yet the future authorities believed he would support ww3, and therefore rid him of most of his memories.
Desert roller is made in the future, you don't know about it. Only great holy vi_spex knows.
"But if vi_spex really was a time-traveller, why would he spend most of his time here on DDO? "
Because his future self has a link to the past of the site, and his future memories slowly come back to his past self as he uses it. But it is usually eating cereal and other trash, not of some important events so far.
"Secondly, from looking at vi_spex's profile comments (posted by himself), absolutely NOTHING makes sense- only random words put together"
You are not from the future. In the future, everyone talks like this. Right now, grammar is there. In the future, people are free from grammar and sentence-structure, yet understand each other due to cognitive enhancers.
"Finally, yes, vi_spex has mentioned random things such as the "desert roller", but has he explained them and the fact that they exist in the future? No. "
He can't explain them. Future vocabulary is also very low, and he doesn't want others to think he is insane and that he is from the future. Everyone would kill him or kidnap him for his power. He will become a lab experiment, and will be tracked by central intelligence agencies of the present and the future.
Conclusion:
Vi_spex is the holy sword of justice. Once he becomes DDO president, he convinces the one who activates his time-travelling memories and powers, and he can finally once again roam in any era physically. We will make him president and fulfill his dream. ALL HAIL VI_SPEX!! ALL HAIL LORD MEGATRON!!!
missmozart

Con

Wow. That was a bunch of nonsense and you know it.

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Rebuttals:

"You are not from the future. In the future, everyone talks like this. Right now, grammar is there. In the future, people are free from grammar and sentence-structure..."

I hate to break it to you, but YOU ARE NOT FROM THE FUTURE EITHER. You don't know vi_spex any more than the rest of us. Stop making random assumptions about him and the future.


"He can't explain them. Future vocabulary is also very low, and he doesn't want others to think he is insane and that he is from the future.Everyone would kill him or kidnap him for his power."

First of all, you don't know that future vocabulary is very low. Besides, we are suppose to evolve to become smarter and not more stupid that we can't even use basic communication. I'm not even going to try to refute the part on vi_spex not wanting us to think he is insane etc. You don't know vi_spex so stop making him sound like a victim of mental illness.


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Conclusion:

I'm going to end this now because I'm sure the readers/voters are probably sick of this meaningless debate.

1. You seem to think you're doing vi_spex a favour but in fact, I think you're actually really insulting and embarrassing him. You're accusing vi_spex of causing WWI and WWII, and making him sound like an ambitious maniac. Perhaps you owe him an apology?

2. You did not provide any proof of anything you said (about the future etc.) and I am not going to go through every single sentence to point it out each time.


Thank you everyone for reading.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Ragnar 7 months ago
Ragnar
He might be an actual bridge dwelling troll?
Posted by missmozart 7 months ago
missmozart
I meant Geoffrey Chaucer in Round 2, sorry.
Posted by lord_megatron 7 months ago
lord_megatron
@missmozart I am from the future
Posted by lord_megatron 7 months ago
lord_megatron
vi-spex is actually unicron in disquise
Posted by CatherineMorland 7 months ago
CatherineMorland
Vi_Spex you have officially recruited Lord_megatron as part of your entourage
Posted by vi_spex 7 months ago
vi_spex
you asked
Posted by lord_megatron 7 months ago
lord_megatron
why vi_spex why?
Posted by vi_spex 7 months ago
vi_spex
desert roller=tumbleweed
Posted by vi_spex 7 months ago
vi_spex
fruits are arguments from existence itself
Posted by vi_spex 7 months ago
vi_spex
destruction=turn my back

yea :D
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Vote Placed by Diqiucun_Cunmin 6 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: PRO's main arguments were that vi_spex spoke in a strange form of language and that he had a desert-roller, which was claimed to be a vehicle from the future. When Con pointed out that these conclusions did not follow from the evidence (since his abstruse language cannot be understood at all and the there's no evidence desert-rollers will exist in the future), Pro simply threw out a series of bare assertions, such as vi_spex having caused the world wars. This series of assertions were extraordinary claims, but the evidence provided was extraordinarily thin (actually, non-existent). Therefore, Pro has not upheld his BOP in showing that vi_spex is a time-traveller from the future, and CON receives argument points.
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Reasons for voting decision: Poor English failed to be upheld as proof of time travel, when contrasted with the counter theory of increased likelihood of trolling.
Vote Placed by Hayd 7 months ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro is making a factual claim, and thus holds the sole BoP . As Con points out, Pro failed to substantiate his claims with any reasonable proof. The farthest they amounted to was that vispex uses grammar from the future, but Pro fails to prove that grammar is that way in the future. As well as that vispex mentioned a vehicle called a desert roller. Con shows how this is not actually a result of the future but a result of troll behavior which is random posts on random stuff. In the end, Pro fails to prove what he is claiming, thus Con wins. ALL HAIL VI_SPEX