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Started: 7/3/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 5 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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vi_spex

Pro

votes are only about wheather or not some one was right or wrong or the vote have no meaning at all..

so atheist and theist votes are wrong by default.. and only i have valid voting ground as an agnostic on the theist or atheist.. being able to think unlike them

so because i dont have theist or atheist position.. my words are the votes, i determine who wins and loses and its all in my words
ShabShoral

Con

one can tell right from wrong even if one is already decided

the atheist and the theist are atheists and theists, yes, but the atheist may become the theist or the theist, atheist

even if the atheist is only an atheist and the theist only a theist, one must have the valid position, and one must be the valid judge

the agnostic is an agnostic like the atheist is an atheist and the theist is a theist

all are equal judges

the word is the final arbiter
Debate Round No. 1
vi_spex

Pro

answers are certain, neither theism or atheism are valid.
there is a god or not, theism is guessing there is a god and atheism is guessing there is no god.

doubt is equal to doubt.. theism is equal to atheism
ShabShoral

Con

there is a god or not

yes

but agnosticism says no to "there is a god" and "there is not"

agnosticism can never be valid because the answer is yes or no

agnosticism = doubt in position = bad judge

theism or atheism = certainty = right = good judge
Debate Round No. 2
vi_spex

Pro

so what position does the guy have that believes there is no god

so which is it, am i wearing a green hat as i type this or am i not?

belief is doubt
ShabShoral

Con

agnosticism says that you may or may not have a green hat on

this is doubt

agnosticism = non-belief

my opponent says that doubt = belief

if agnosticism = nonbelief and doubt, and belief = doubt, then belief = nonbelief

this is absurd

therefore agnosticism =\= non-doubt
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by vi_spex 5 months ago
vi_spex
theism+atheism=belief+disbelief=doubt
Posted by vi_spex 5 months ago
vi_spex
agnostic=non belief
Posted by MagicAintReal 5 months ago
MagicAintReal
Atheists and theists can be agnostics, so your whole point is a false trichotomy.
Posted by vi_spex 5 months ago
vi_spex
for it was said by an agnostic.
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