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durg
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Retrospace18
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voting materials for U.S citizens should be provided in native languages

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Started: 11/6/2007 Category: Society
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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durg

Con

votng materials should not be given in native languages because it would be too hard on the town/city to keep track of the amount of a native language there is in their town/city. U.S citizens should know english to pass the test to enter the US in the first place.
Retrospace18

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First of all I am in support of voting material being in different languages.
The United States is at a critical time in its history, where foreign and non-foreign speaking citizens are mixed evenly.

The United States has no right to deny a person the right to vote (With the proper rights to do so) because they do not speak English.

If Voting was allowed in native languages, more citizens would be able to cast their vote, and our leader would be truly voted in by the citizens, not just a select few.

"votng materials should not be given in native languages because it would be too hard on the town/city to keep track of the amount of a native language there is in their town/city."

This would provide much needed jobs, to rural the more rural areas of the country. It would also provide jobs to those who do not speak english. And thus opening up more jobs for those that do speak english.

America seems to be the only Country that wants to deny rights to speak your native language. Countless countries have learned English to cope, with tourists and english speaking employers.

It's time that The United States, takes a knee and learns foreign countries languages. Americans have been spoiled in their arrogance and stubborness.And it's time for that to change.

With the allowing of native languages on voting material, this change would be more welcome and easier to swallow.
Debate Round No. 1
durg

Con

the cost of the voting ballots will increase along with the debt we as america has and we cant afford to give out the ballots to someone that cant vote properly if the people that dont speak english cant vote it saves us money and the "counters" time.
Retrospace18

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The increase in the cost of voting ballots, would not be an issue, if those wishing to vote in their native language, were only allowed to do so on electronic ballot machines. A simple reprogram is all that would be needed.

You said "We cant afford to give out ballots to someone that cant vote properly"

In 1965, Lyndon B. Johnson, had the Voting Rights Act passed. This act allowed all american citizens the right to vote, ignoring any discrimination. To quote Lyndon B. Johnson, "Every American citizen must have an equal right to vote." This act already covers language disabilities, and there fore it is the government and states duty to provide voting supplies not based on any discrimination.

If you deny the right to vote based on language you are discriminating against those that do not speak english. By doing this, you are simply creating another example of the 1960's, when African Americans were not allowed to vote. America does not need this kind of negative attention, when we are already getting enough from the war in Iraq.
Debate Round No. 2
durg

Con

OK...explain this

in china there are over 300 characters of chinese literature and that would make it nearly impossible to translate
chinese citizens ( 20% of the US population) would not get to vote do to their native language but in order to be a citizen in the US u have to pass a test that says that u can infact speak and write english. if this person is not a citizen then they do not desirve to vote!
Retrospace18

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You are required to take a literacy test to assess your knowledge of the English language, unless you are:

1. Unable to comply due to a documented disability;
2. Are more than 50 years old and have lived in the United States for 20 years or more as a permanent resident alien;
3. Are more than 55 years old and have lived in the United States for 15 years or more as a permanent resident alien.

And it is a known fact that if you are born on United States soil, you are an American citizen. Everyday thousands of illegal immigrants have children in the united states. These children are united states citizens by default. A large portion of these citizens are raised in their native tongue, because their parents can not speak English. They grow up and also can not speak English.

By denying these circumstanced individuals the right to vote, you are now not only discriminating on language, you are discriminating on family history and background and once again denying the freedom and personal rights that the United States stands for.

Source: http://www.visaus.com...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by iamadragon 7 years ago
iamadragon
Try not to make any more debates on the way to the parking lot.
Posted by lvisman96 9 years ago
lvisman96
Because he's a smart guy and has a good grasp on the issues, a good sense of the English language, and fine debating skills would be my first guess.
Posted by james94 9 years ago
james94
Hey phil why are you on everybodys debate.
Posted by Phil 9 years ago
Phil
This is America, and our primary language is English. It's been that way for over 200-years. It's not the government's job to accommodate the hundreds of different languages in existence. It's not our job as Americans to learn different languages. This is not europe, and we don't have dozens of neighbors with different dialects. It takes 7 years to become a US citizen if you're not born on our soil, and that's more than enough time to learn English. If we don't have a common language, our nation will become divided and weak. Y'all need to drop this cry baby attitude, and use a little tough-love. Immigrants that learn English will be better off. We're not denying anyone the right to vote, and that's an outrageous accusation.

I'm not going to move to France and demand that all of the government documents be provided in English, that would be absurd.
Posted by lvisman96 9 years ago
lvisman96
Q. What do you call a person who speaks 2 languages? A. Bilingual
Q. What do you call a person who speaks 3 languages? A. Trilingual
Q. What do you call a person that speaks 1 language? A. An American
Posted by Retrospace18 9 years ago
Retrospace18
You say, Most people haven't the slightest idea about the issues on a ballot. And I'm not going to argue that, I believe the same.

But I will argue, what if those who do study and learn the candidates on a ballot, do not speak English? Where is it our right to deny them access, if they are an American citizen?

By not allowing voting materials in native languages, you're (the american people) denying an educated voter access to cast their vote.

And by not allowing those who do not speak English rights to vote in their native language, you (the american people) are discriminating based on language.

To your comment "I-hate-American attitude".

I personally do not hate America. I hate the "non-willing" to change and cope with the world, attitude of americans. America stands for freedom and personal rights.
In denying the right to vote, based on language, you are denying what America Stands for.
Posted by Phil 9 years ago
Phil
I have to disagree with Retrospace18's premise that we in fact want more people voting. I'm getting tired of people pushing the idea that every American should vote. The fact of the matter is, if you haven't spent the time learning about both sides of the issues/candidates on a ballot, and developing your core principles, then you should not vote. Most people haven't the slightest idea about the issues on a ballot.

Also, what's up with your I-hate-American attitude? We're spoiled, arrogant, and stubborn? Are you serious? We Americans do more charity than any other country in the history of the world.

If you want to live overseas, then by all means, learn a language. This is America, and our language is English. If you want to vote, then you not only have to be/become a citizen, but I believe you should also be required to learn English.

There's also a big push to get illegal aliens to vote albeit the driver's licenses. English ballots would minimize this problem.
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