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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/11/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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nebosleeper

Con

The definition of "terror" is fear. We call it a war on terror, but what are we really fighting? Fear? How can you fight and win against fear? Fear has always been and always will be a part of our life, so why is it that this administration thinks it cant when a war about fear?
stupidmidget

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we do not call it the war on terror. we call it war on terrorism. we just shorten the name and call it the war on terror because it is not one of those things that just roles off the toungue when trying to debate about it.
Debate Round No. 1
nebosleeper

Con

ok, so are we debating the definition of terror? because if we are than I would have to say that the debate is over. "Terrorism," "Terror," what ever you want to call it......The definition of the word is still fear.
stupidmidget

Pro

but what do we have to fear over wherever we are fighting? all we are fighting is a bunch of people for sand and possibly oil.
Debate Round No. 2
nebosleeper

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I agree with you then on what we are fighting for.....why would you take on this debate? surely you could see the opinion I hold by my opening statements. All I am suggesting is that our leaders try to justify this war more ways than one, including the "war on terror" argument. I think it is a worthless reason to call it that, because if thats what they say the war is all about, than they are feeding us nothing but lies because you cant win a war when what you are supposedly fighting is fear.
stupidmidget

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they call it othe war on terror because it is fighting against the fear that the people put in our homes. the war that we are fighting is called the war on terror because iraq could possibly have nukes and that would not be a good thing for us if they use them.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by luckysyringe 9 years ago
luckysyringe
>>Solarman1969
"I am 100% in support of GW on the war in Iraq, and think it is a SMASHING SUCCESS and Patreus is a HERO!"
>>MarineCorpsConservative
"Anyone who doesn't see the progress in Iraq under the charge of General Patreus is an idiot."

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Posted by MarineCorpsConservative 9 years ago
MarineCorpsConservative
"I am 100% in support of GW on the war in Iraq, and think it is a SMASHING SUCCESS and Patreus is a HERO!"

I am with ya bud. Anyone who doesn't see the progress in Iraq under the charge of General Patreus is an idiot.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
I dont agree with Craig Winn on many of his points, and we are actually in agreement that he is wrong about Bush and iraq- I just think his point about WOT vs War vs Islam is DEAD ON.

read his site- it is a FASCINATING EXPOSE of Islam

Read the TERRORISM TIMELINE- it is incredible and goes over all that stuff in the 70s with Arafat and the PLO and the hijackings and Abu Nidal and the whole History of Terrorism- it is like 1000 pages !

he also has and interesting view on God (Yahweh)

Again, I am 100% in support of GW on the war in Iraq, and think it is a SMASHING SUCCESS and Patreus is a HERO!
Posted by luckysyringe 9 years ago
luckysyringe
I forgot to add after the 7 years later part that... well yea its been almost 7 years and so far we proved almost every bit of that "open letter" wrong. The Iraqi people enjoyed voting, Al Qaeda related crime has fallen significantly, and some even say we completely driven them out from Iraq...
Posted by luckysyringe 9 years ago
luckysyringe
solarman,
Have you been paying any attention to current events?
The "open letter" from your link was posted on January 1st 2001 (it says 0001 but yea I think he meant 2001). Its December 12th, 2007... almost 7 years later. The guy claims its a pointless war on a tactic (mark another misinformed person), that a democracy in Iraq won't work, that we're declaring war to impose our values, and that we should just lie down and take it from a minority radical population instead of fighting. He then calls George W. Bush a hypocrite, arrogant, and ignorant and then later calls himself a conservative Christain, responsible for Bush's 'empowerment'. Something here just doesn't add up.
Posted by Solarman1969 9 years ago
Solarman1969
the war on terror is a MEANINGLESS term

It is a war with ISLAM

And it is a hot war that will go one for centuries

read here to learn more about how stupid the phrase "War on Terror" is.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net...

onward and upward
Posted by luckysyringe 9 years ago
luckysyringe
sigh, liberals...

nebosleeper, if you want to try and take the literal meaning of the war on terror I'll break it down for you. I'll give you a little history lesson, if you will. First off, we pretty much took the whole definition of terrorism to refer to the Al Qaeda. Remember September 11th, 2001? The attacks on the World Trade Center? Well, shortly thereafter Mr. Bin Laden took credit for it. So we went in looking for him, and, in the process, fell upon some intel showing that Mr. Saddam was harbouring members of the Al Qaeda, and even more intel showing that he was making Weapons of Mass Destruction. Realizing that it is kinda difficult to declare war on an ideology (Al Qaeda), we went in on the basis that they had WMDs. Guess what, we found them (the WMDs). Then we took out a genocidal dictator, and during our visit there we took out a bunch of members of the Al Qaeda as well. So then we helped them put up a new government, to protect its citizens and in turn help us with the terrorist infestation. (also as a side-benefit, to protect our oil-interests, since liberals won't let us drill our own land -- entirely different story) So now we pretty much have Iraq stabilized, some young guy impersonating Bin Laden (cause he's either sick or dead), and now we're looking to clean up the Al Qaeda in Iran. But I think Ahmadinejad has too many friends that would be on the recieving end, so he isn't happy.

In summary, its ... politically incorrect ... to declare war on an ideology or a radical form of religion... so we decided to declare war on terrorism (which probably still conflicts with the ideology part so thats probably why we shortened it to 'terror')
Posted by MarineCorpsConservative 9 years ago
MarineCorpsConservative
By the way 0311 is infantry if you don't know and i was in Iraq for 9 months.
Posted by MarineCorpsConservative 9 years ago
MarineCorpsConservative
What MOS do you work in there nebosleeper? Admin. Because surely you haven't been to Iraq to see the progress we have made. I myself was in the Marine Corps as an 0311 and know first hand why we are over there. Cmon man
Posted by goldspurs 9 years ago
goldspurs
nebosleeper, being military doesn't make you invulnerable to being ill-informed. Nice try.
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