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was Alexander the great was the most influential person throughout history

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Started: 10/31/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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audrina1000

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I will let my opponent start 1st
iluvkitty4ever

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no he wasn't, even though he expanded the roman empire; but he also weakened its central hold as an empire, and which led to its demise. but the question was 'was Alexander the great was the most influential person throughout history'. the definition of 'influential' is; Power to sway or affect based on prestige, wealth, ability, or position... although he did accumulate wealth, ability, and prestige, he didn't "affect" people. those conquered people were part of the roman empire, but they didn't consider themselves that because their land had been taken over by force. influence also means; To affect the nature, development, or condition of; modify. Alexander didn't do much developments,nor did he affect the condition, unless you want to argue he worsened their condition. but lets just say he did have lots of influence, because to a certain degree, he totally did. but would he be considered the MOST INFLUENTIAL? if you look at history, many figures meet the category of "influential', including Karl Marx who created the concept of communism; Jesus, who started Christianity, Hitler, who brought about many devastation; from ww2, to the holocaust, to Zionism, to potentiality ww3.

i don't really know why you chose alex the great as the 'most influential', and you should have gone first, because i can't give a rebuttal to a round in which u didn't even participate in, because you know that not doing so forfeited this round for you?

but personally, i find Jesus as the most influential in history. because a lot of events in history occurred in his name. from the crusades, to colonialism, to endless wars, an even to ww1, where it partially was started because Russia wanted to "win back" the "holy land". Christianity is the current predominate religion, even if some might argue it has been only used in name, but not in practice in the above mentioned... also, Jesus is the most respected in the world, not only do Christians, who are in the largest religion which is Christianity, but so do the Muslims who are the 2nd largest religious group, because they also believe in Jesus. :)
Debate Round No. 1
audrina1000

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Alexander was before Jesus time yes Jesus established the Christian church but Alexander united lands! Alexander conquered the Ashamed Persian Empire, including Anatolia, Syria, Phoenicia, Judea, Gaza, Egypt, Bactria, and Mesopotamia, and extended the boundaries of his own empire as far as Punjab, India.

Prior to his death, Alexander had already made plans for military and mercantile expansions into to the Arabian peninsula, after which he was to turn his armies to the west and (Carthage, Rome, and the Iberian Peninsula). His original vision had been to the east, though, to the ends of the world and the Great Outer Sea, as described by his boyhood tutor Aristotle.
he was truly influential because even people after him wanted to be like him people after him cried they couldn't even come close to what he accomplished. and he was only 33.
iluvkitty4ever

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So what if Alex was before Jesus?, that doesn't determine anything, besides that information about him is harder to find... and Alex didn't "unite" the lands, he just conquered them, keep in mind that the lands he "united" were Alex's enemies, like the Persian Empire. And I'm sure the Persians would rather become independent. The lands were actually not very stable, because even though the Greek empire, (sorry, 'roman empire' was a typo from before) was expanding, the people considered themselves part of other empires, so that's why after Alex died, the regions split up, therefore he didn't really unite lands. On the other hand, Jesus united lands AND minds, people truly followed him to this day. To be influential, you have to be CONVINCING, and not under force using swords.

And keep in mind, according to history, Jesus started becoming INFLUENTIAL at BIRTH (when he could talk even though he was a baby)... so I'm sure that beats age 33... and he isn't the only ruler in history that used imperialism to try to rule the world, there's been many such as; Japan, the roman empire, the British empire (whom conquered much more than Alex ever did), the Spanish empire, and many more. Just because he accomplished much in conquering other people's lands, it didn't last, because the Hellenistic period just ruined his "united land",

And just because his "people" didn't come close to what he accomplished, it doesn't mean other historical figures hadn't. Jesus has remained the most remembered historical figure, who united many minds and countries, just like what Mohammad did for the Arabs, who created a huge Islamic empire. Both Mohammad and Jesus didn't just unite LANDS, they also united HEARTS and MINDS... which was MUCH more influential
Debate Round No. 2
audrina1000

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the lands split up because different people were fighting over who will rule the empire. on Alex death bed they asked to whom do you leave the your throne and he said "to the strongest". so naturally every one wanted to take his place. Jesus shouldn't even be mentioned in this because he is the "son of God" so of course you would say he had a more influence. but Alexander didn't didn't just unite the people physically he did mentally too. people loved Alexander for his kindness and power to win over men, people found it almost intoxicating to be under the rule of such a great man. his soldiers loved him because every time they suffered he suffered right along with them, the people in his empire were barbaric uncivilized people with no meaning and he changed them to people who actually mattered, as Alexander's army they could accomplish the impossible. my opponent mentions Jesus alot but that completely biased because Jesus "created" Alexander.
iluvkitty4ever

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i think my opponent didn't read my argument, i NEVER said that he was the "son of God" i don't believe that at all, I'm not a Christian, I'm far from it, i don't think God even has children, because then he wouldn't be a God. What I said was that Jesus INFLUENCED and won HEARTS and MINDS of people, and how people RESPECTED him and how he's the most REMEMBERED. Jumping to conclusions invalidates your point. i also think Jesus was loved for his kindness, and he also suffered along with his people, and most people of Jesus's time were also barbaric and uncivilized. Also, Alexander didn't say to give the land to his "strongest", all the land was divided up into regions where generals, or his heirs, controlled, like a bureaucracy, and from that, they broke up because they recognized themselves separate from the others. Meaning; instead of one big empire, all the generals rather control their area instead of answering to a king after Alex died.

I also find it invalid to use what he was LIKE during his LIFETIME to determine if he was the MOST INFLUENTIAL throughout all of HISTORY. his lifetime was such a small amount of history, that it doesn't have much of an impact. Like, many things about him are uncertain, because there wasn't much solid information written about the B.C.E time. So small details about how "people found it almost intoxicating to be under the rule of such a great man" is purely biased, you couldn't get something accurate like that from LEGITIMATE history. I can't sit there and talk about Jesus was such an amazing and kind man, because every source is bias... i said he influenced people based on what people think of him TODAY, meaning, throughout history, this is how he was remembered, thus, the topic of the debate... so if it was during his time, that doesn't consist of history, so it's invalid...

this is the last rebuttal, i just want to add in, this was pretty fun, and i appreciate your views, i have nothing against your views, and thanks for the opportunity for me to express mine :)
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
Jesus counterplan, awesome!

I think it could have been better, though. If you hadn't admitted:
"i NEVER said that he was the 'son of God' i don't believe that at all, I'm not a Christian"
then you could have added that he saved everyone from eternal damnation as a reason that he was more influential. That puts the nail in the coffin.
Posted by Chrysippus 7 years ago
Chrysippus
"even though he expanded the roman empire"

I beg your pardon? o.O
Macedonian =/= Roman
Posted by studentathletechristian8 7 years ago
studentathletechristian8
Agreed, Alex. I hate how many people on this site have no idea how to create a resolution.
Posted by Alex 7 years ago
Alex
"was Alexander the great was the most influential person throughout history"

Do you people pay no attention when making your resolution?
Posted by studentathletechristian8 7 years ago
studentathletechristian8
Five people off the top of my head who were more influential:

1) Benjamin Franklin
2) Thomas Jefferson
3) Isaac Newton
4) Jesus
5) Barack Obama (Just kidding ;)
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