what is required to be belived for salvation is unclear, for christians
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the bible says if you confess with your mouth jesus is lord, and beleive in your heart that he was raised from the dead you will be saved. it also say if you believe in the lord you will be saved. it also has all kinds of other statements.
so what is it?
if you believe he existed or is God is that enough? probably not cause the bible says demons do likewise.
what about a list of of common beleifs? that you rely on him generally, that he is your savior, that you are a sinner, that he is lord, tha he rose from the dead, that he was incarnated, that he is God, that he is the son of God, substitutionary atonement v 'christus victor' etc etc.
ask different christians, get a different answer, almost every time. they just have 'gut feelings' but dont have firm answers.
some say you have to admit you're a sinner and that he is your savior. what if you believed all the other things and not these? or what if you believe you're a sinner, and that he's a savior, but not that he's God, or a various type of atonement belief. eg, chrsitaus victor v substitutionary.
some say that he is God is required, some say legal substitution is mandatory.
and how do you demarcate the requirements for those who are new to the faith, and those who are really knowledgeable? it might be seen a okay for a newbie to miss a thing or two, but less understandable for the expreinced etc.
so what's the magical formula?
1. God exists
2. You must put your trust in him, that Jesus came, died, and rose again
3. Repent or turn away from your sins
It is not a matter of belief or doctrine as much as it matters to acknowledge Jesus as Lord of your life, God's existence, and the need to repent and be cleansed of your sins through his atonement.
A convert should receive instructions on what to do in his/her life rather than taught a set of doctrine.
what if you believe 1 2 and 3, except you had reason to doubt the resurretion of Jesus? that that mean you're condemned?
and you mention in a point after your list, being cleansed by atonement. is this required to be believed in, too, or is it something that doesn't have to be in the list? and what if people have varying view of the atonement?
what if the person believes in their heart that Jesus is lord, and that he rose from the dead? the bible say they will be saved. but what if they don't believe all of your three points? does that mean they won't be? is the bible wrong, and you right?
how are you so sure of yourself, and where are you getting all this stuff?
Atonement is required for your sin to be purged, what examples are there for different views on atonement?
If the Bible says believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, he rose from the dead, and that he came to save people of their sins as the Bible says, my 3 points are therefore biblical.
I get all this stuff from studying the Bible and meditating on acting upon the Gospel vs. simply teaching/explaining different beliefs on it.
you missed the point about the 'believe in your heart and rose from the dead stuff'. the bible says if you do that, you will be saved. but you have this magical list of four things that must be believed. do you contradict the bible? that your three points are biblical doesnt answer this situatin that needs reconciled.
you just seem to spout the big things that pop out at you and as far as i can see are missing the point about how the vague versus too listy problem is always going to be there.
i see there being no solution.... all we can say is it all depends and we aren't God and so we can't know.
My four points are simply paraphrases of what the Bible teaches with verses such as the ones you quoted, thus i don't contradict the Bible.
God has given us the only way to salvation clearly defined in Scriptures once we study it for ourselves.
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