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meganAllyx0
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feverish
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white people are recieveing more discrimination than any other race

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Started: 11/24/2009 Category: Society
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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meganAllyx0

Pro

My statement as stands as pro, - Firstly i am not a racist i believe in all equalities of life. Howether i sincerely believe that in The last years, white people have been the more relaxed obective for racism , Because white people have never been seen as a threat in the terms of war, slavery etc it has never been notified
My belief is that society has became biased, and that there is a steroetypical belief that white people can never become victims of racism because they have always been the ring leaders for it

Be nice to start :)
feverish

Con

Thanks Megan for setting up what I hope will be an interesting debate and I would like to take the opportunity to welcome you (back?) to the site.

I do not believe that "white people are receiveing more discrimination than any other race" but as a white person myself, I would be very interested in seeing any evidence of this.

I'm not totally sure if the resolution is supposed to refer to a specific country or on a global scale which could potentially make a huge difference. As we are both from the UK I'll limit it to here for now but if you intended otherwise let me know.

I am also a little unclear about exactly what my opponent means with some of the terms she uses such as "The last years" but I don't want to make this a debate based on semantics so I will let her explain what she means rather than wilfully misinterpreting such phrases.

I do however think it is important that the key term in the resolution is defined clearly.

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<> http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu...

Since the resolution specifies race, it is racial discrimination we are discussing here.

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"...any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, color, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life..">> http://www.nationmaster.com...
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I'm going to respond to Pro's first round but mostly in the form of questions for now. I want to be sure of what you are getting at so I can respond appropriately.

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I'm going to have to ask what you mean by the last years. Do you believe that this change has occured in the last two or three years? This decade? The last century?

I'm not entirely sure what relaxed objective means either. Do you mean a soft target or the easiest option? If so this puzzles me. Discrimination is by nature most often applied against minorities within a population and we white people are still the clear majority in the UK (altough admitedly not in all urban areas such as where I live). To refer again to my previous source: http://www.nationmaster.com...

"The term "racism" is usually applied to the dominant group in a society, because it is that group which has the means to oppress others, but readily applies to any individual or group(s), regardless of social status or dominance."

One last question here, just who are white people a "relaxed objective" for? Who is targetting white people with this racial discrimination and in what way?

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White people have been involved and generally dominated the fields of war and slavery for the last 1000 years or so. I think they/we are definitely a greater threat to other races than they are to us if you look at who is killing who the most throughout history and in the world today. The Roman empire, the colonisation of Africa, Asia and the Americas, the history of slavery, the crusades, wars in Vietnam, Iraq and elsewhere all spring to mind. http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org... http://en.wikipedia.org...

If by "it has never been notified" you are suggesting that racial discrimination against white people has never been reported then this is not true. There was a very well publicised case of two white police officers who made a discrimination claim for example. http://www.independent.co.uk...

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By this, are you implying that it was 100% fair in the past?

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Anyone can of course potentially be the victim of racism. I don't know where the idea that white people are immune to it could come from and I'm not familiar with such a stereotype. As I mentioned before it is true that discrimination is by nature targetted mostly at minorities because it is the dominant majority who are in a position to discriminate, this is reflected by my opponent's affirmation that white people have traditionally been at the forefront of it.

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None of my opponent's claims which I examine above are backed up with any kind of evidence at all. Some kind of proof must be given, along with explanations, for my opponent's opinions to have any merit in this debate.

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I believe that contrary to the resolution, ethnic minorities are receiving the most discrimination and while some is aimed at polish immigrants etc. most of these groups are not white (in Britain anyway).

In the UK, non-white people make up only 7.9% of the population and 70% identify themselves as white and Christian. http://www.statistics.gov.uk...

The idea that white people receive the most discrimination is the kind of nonsense spouted by racist groups such as the BNP. However there are no political parties advocating discrimination against white people the way the BNP have been allowed to incite racial hatred against non-white minorities. http://www.debate.org...

Traditionally it has been black people who were the most common targets of racism but I would argue that in the last thirty years and particularly the last decade it is the Asian population, especially Pakistanis and Muslims that have become the main victims of racial discrimination and abuse. http://news.bbc.co.uk... http://www.independent.co.uk...

On an anecdotal note it is also worth considering the volume of racial discrimination that different non white minorities inflict on each other. While there is of course some anti white sentiments held by non white people this generally is less than the contempt non white racists reserve for other groups.

Tensions between Sikhs and Muslims, prejudice from Jamaicans to "small-island" carribeans and in return, mutual contempt between groups of Africans and British Afro- Carribeans, Indian parents who would be happy for their kids to marry white people but not other Asians or black people... These and many more complex examples of ethnic prejudice are all widespread in the UK.

http://www.punjabi.net... http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com... http://books.google.co.uk...

Four years ago in my home town of Birmingham there were race riots between black people and asians. http://en.wikipedia.org...

I'll leave it there for now and await some answers to my questions as well as some evidence in support of my opponent's unsubstantiated claims.

Thanks.

Con.
Debate Round No. 1
meganAllyx0

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meganAllyx0 forfeited this round.
feverish

Con

Hopefully I haven't wasted my time accepting this debate. I await a response from my opponent.

E-x-t-e-n-d my argumentifications.
Debate Round No. 2
meganAllyx0

Pro

meganAllyx0 forfeited this round.
feverish

Con

Yawn. Extend.
Debate Round No. 3
meganAllyx0

Pro

meganAllyx0 forfeited this round.
feverish

Con

Oh well, thanks for reading. Please vote.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
Thank god for the "What are my friend's doing" box on the home page, or else things like this would go unnoticed.
Posted by feverish 7 years ago
feverish
Ha ha. Thanks (I think).

Good to see you still around Dave.
Posted by snelld7 7 years ago
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Dear Feverish,

Wow.... Your debate skills are unfair

Your old pal,
Snelld7
Posted by feverish 7 years ago
feverish
*sigh

Incoming forfeit.
Posted by Grumpy 7 years ago
Grumpy
This promises to be a very interesting debate, so long as it does not become a series of anecdotal references but rather, a genuine exchange of factual, valid proofs. I would also like to see some ideas of how to overcome these discriminations, regardless of who is discriminating against whom. Good luck to both of you.
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